Alfa Romeo 6C2500-GhiaSORT-iicar2012-02

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ALFA ROMEO 6C2500
This list is compiled from information supplied by:
Angelo Tito Anselmi, Ruedi Aschwanden, Corrado Bellabarba, Lorenzo Boscarelli, Dieter Dambacher, Raoul San Giorgi,
Malcolm Harris, Knute Kolmann, Peter Marshall, Simon Moore, Arthur Wennerstrom and input from various owners. Thanks to all!
Each piece is important when assembling a puzzle!
This listing prepared by:
The Italian Car Registry
John de Boer
Email:
(since 1980)
[email protected]
Note that the cars were not built/finished in chassis number sequence.
This list is organized in chassis number sequence only for easy reference and does not represent build order.
Any corrections, updates, and/or news are welcomed.
913001 - 913169
913170 - 913232
913233 - 913283
913284 - 913363
913364 - 913368
913369 - 913392
913393 - 913427
913428 - 913445
1939
1940
1943
1946
1947
1948
1949
1950
6C2500 Turismo 5 posti
6C2500 Turismo 5 posti
6C2500 Turismo 5 posti
6C2500 Turismo
6C2500 Turismo
“3rd series”
6C2500 Turismo Motore Avanzato
6C2500 Turismo Motore Avanzato
6C2500 Turismo Motore Avanzato
3.25m, 1620kg, 143 km/h, 87CV, 13/60
914001 - 914073
914074 - 914081
1939
1940
6C2500 Turismo 6 posti
6C2500 Turismo 6 posti
3.25m, 1720kg, 135 km/h, 87cv, 12/61
(Some early 915xxx) 1939-40
915001 - 915086
1939
915087 - 915118
1940
915119 - 915122
1941
915123 - 915175
1942
915176 - 915199
1943
915201 - 915218
1944
915219 - 915221
1945
915222 - 915287
1946
915288 - 915499
1947
915501 - 915512
1942
915513 - 915528
1943
915529 - 915542
1946
915543 - 915613
1947
915614 - 915717
1948
915718 - 915890
1949
915891 - 915906
1950
915907 - 915926
1951
*916001 - 916002
*916003 - 916085
*916086 - 916152
1939
1941
1942
compression ratios?
6C2500 SS Corsa
2.70m, 1130kg (Spider), 1160kg (berlinetta), 200 km/h, 125cv, 16/59
6C2500 Sport & Super Sport 256
3.0m, 1370kg, 155 km/h, 95cv, 14/61
6C2500 Sport & Super Sport 256
6C2500 Sport
6C2500 Sport
6C2500 Sport
6C2500 Sport
6C2500 Sport
6C2500 Sport (Touring, Pinin Farina, F d'O)
6C2500 Sport (F d'O, Touring, Pinin Farina, others)
6C2500 Super Sport
2.70m, 1270kg, 170 km/h, 110cv, 15/59
6C2500 Super Sport
2.70m, 1400kg, 165 km/h, 110cv, 15/59
6C2500 Super Sport
6C2500 Super Sport
6C2500 Super Sport
6C2500 Super Sport
6C2500 Super Sport
6C2500 Super Sport
6C2500 Coloniale
6C2500 Coloniale
6C2500 Coloniale
3.10m, 1650kg, 127 km/h, 90cv, 11/61
Note: It would seem that there is some confusion possible, most likely because of duplicate chassis numbers issued by Alfa Romeo for early 916xxx numbers?
This might be explained by the WWII loss of ledger information prior to 1942? Because of this, there might be some special attention necessary in some cases?!!
*916001 - 916313
*916314 - 916540
*916541 - 916700
1948
1949
1950
6C2500 Sport (F d'O, Touring, Pinin Farina, others) 3.0m, 1370kg, 155 km/h, 90cv, 14/61
6C2500 Sport (F d'O, Pinin Farina, others)
(1555kg)
6C2500 Sport (F d'O)
917001 - 917032
917033 - 917099
917100 - 917151
1949
1950
1951
6C2500 Sport Motore Avanzato
6C2500 Sport Motore Avanzato
6C2500 Sport Motore Avanzato
918001 - 918035
918036 - 918076
918077 - 918112
918113 - 918150
1950
1951
1952
1953
6C2500 Sport (motore Super Sport)
6C2500 Sport (motore Super Sport)
6C2500 Sport (motore Super Sport)
6C2500 Sport (motore Super Sport)
920001 - 920003
1948
(92000x converted) 1950
6C2500 Competizione
6C3000 Competizione
2.50m, 850kg, 200 km/h, 145cv, 16/59
2.50m, 870kg, 225 km/h, 168cv, 12/49
**924xxx series engines were “Coloniale” engines for automotive use and seem also to be marine engines for military use.
**925xxx series numbers were seemingly assigned to marine engines, seemingly for civilian use.
Alfa Romeo 6C 2500 Super Sport engine conversions
Early “SS” cars had a plate on the firewall that specifically began “SS” and this was followed by a number. There was probably a build sheet (and perhaps a ledger?) at Alfa
Romeo that described the mechanical preparation of the very early cars and this practice probably continued at some level into the production of more standardized versions.
It would appear that the commercialized “Super Sport” configuration was considered to be a modification to the engine (as well as perhaps the gearbox on occasion) and that
there was a “kit number” or “build number” for that conversion. A plate was attached to the firewall or the right side inner fender panel for cars that were fitted by Alfa Romeo
(or their dealers?) with the “Super Sport” conversion. There is no reason to assume that a SuperSport conversion was always precisely the same and there is every reason to
believe that some engines had additional preparation above and beyond the nominal “Super Sport” conversion. Clues can sometimes be found in compression ratios stamped
near the engine number, but there is no reason to believe that every mechanic assembling an engine followed precisely the same procedure as another mechanic doing similar
work.
It would seem logical that a good number of early SS conversions might have been performed as retrofits, but it also seems logical that a retrofit might have been fitted to any
car/engine at most any time during the original production run and perhaps even into a short period of time after production stopped. For the “918xxx” series of chassis
numbers, it would seem that all engines were fitted with the Super Sport conversion, but no numbers have been observed or reported as yet to indicate that a kit number was
recorded on the car. Any additional SS “conversion kit” numbers would be very much welcomed to this study!
This chart attempts to show the Super Sport “kit” or conversion numbers identified thus far. Any additional information would be most welcome!
In some cases, the “SS” designation appears on the plate affixed to the car. In later cars, the plate shows only the number without mentioning “SS”.
Again, the plate is most commonly found on the firewall (particularly for early cars), but is most often found on the right inner fender panel near the carburetors.
To be thorough in our study, we should probably note the types of plates found and the location fitted. Photos are always nice!
SS #
Motore
Chassis
Chassis date
Notes:
For those engines that have compression ratio markings near the engine number, I would like to record those as well. If there is no marking, I would like to write “none”.
Please note that the compression ratio is also marked on some “Turismo” and “Sport” engines as well. When we have enough data to begin listing those cars and engines in a
cross-reference listing, I will do so.
“SS5”
SS17
SS21
SS__
SS54
SS71
motore 923880
motore 923822
motore 923824
motore 923863
motore 923872
motore 923905
was in chassis N. 915005
in chassis N. 915038
in chassis N. 915042
in chassis N. 915082
in chassis N. ______
in chassis N. 915105
1939
1940
6.3.40
1940
SS76
SS__
motore 923908
motore 923963 ??
in chassis N. 915108
in chassis N. 915163
1940
ref: Peter Marshall
1940
Perhaps a new “SS” series begins without the “SS” prefix?
For those engines that have compression ratio markings near the engine number, I would like to record those as well. If there is no marking, I would like to write “none”.
SS16
motore 923650
in chassis N. 915539
19.6.47
(SS) “17” motore SS923733
in chassis N. 915630
15.3.48
Reunited with (?) chassis N. 915089?
(SS) 69 motore 923892
(Note: The number “69” has also been incorrectly identified by a consultant as a “Graber body number”.)
(SS) 86 motore 923794
in chassis N. 915692
12.11.48
foto AR6C2500 p.28 “SS16” scritto sul cambio
SS “17” con Weber 36DO2 #
(SS) ___ ? motore 923657
(SS) 126 motore 923666
(SS) ___ ? motore 923615
(SS) ___ ? motore 923671
(SS) ___ ? motore
SS #___
SS #126
SS #___
SS #___
SS #___
in chassis N. 915555
in chassis N. 915568
in chassis N. 915___ ??
in chassis N. 915571
Bollaert spares 1987
1.4.47
30.5.47
in chassis N. 915700
in chassis N. 915727
in chassis N. 915736
in chassis N. 915744
in chassis N. 915758
in chassis N. 915780
in chassis N. 915603
in chassis N. 915592
8.11.48
8.2.49
25.2.49
10.3.49
21.3.49
3.5.49
7.11.47
30.9.47
(SS) ___ ? motore 928105
(SS) 250 motore 928109
in chassis N. 915734
in chassis N. 915797
12.2.49
19.5.49
SS #___ con Weber 36DO2 #1377, #1367, #1373
SS #250 con Weber 36DO2 #1315, #1353, #1402
(SS)___ ? motore 923769
(SS) 263 motore 923799
(SS) 271 ?
(SS) 306 motore 926527
(SS) 329 motore 928166
(SS) 336 motore 928178
(SS) 339 motore 928182
(SS) 345 motore 928186
(SS) 355 motore 928190
(SS) 378 motore 928323
in chassis N. 915668
in chassis N. 915697
in chassis N. 915810
in chassis N. 916249
in chassis N. 915858
in chassis N. 915867
in chassis N. 915871
in chassis N. 915884
in chassis N. 915882
in chassis N. 915916
7.7.48
9.11.48
31.5.49
7.10.48
10//49
17.10.49
15.11.49
24.11.49 (telaio)
9.11.49
1950
SS #___ con Weber 36DO2 #698, #880, #951
(SS) 152
(SS) 190
(SS) 206
(SS)212
(SS) 223
(SS) 244
(SS) 245
(SS)___ ?
motore 928002
motore 928027
motore 928046
motore 928048
motore 928064
motore 928079
motore 923701
motore SS923702
R 7.5
R 7.5
R 7.5
31.5.47
con Weber 36DO2 #366, #409, #342
con Weber 36DO2 #380, #411, #598
con Weber 36DO2 #418, #403, #414
con Weber 36DO2 #389, #838, #440
con Weber 36DO2 #512, #539, #528
SS #223 Weber 36D02 #1603, #1844, #1841
SS #244 con Weber 36
SS #245 con Weber 36DO3 #525, #520, #501
SS #339
SS #345
SS #355
SS #378
con Weber 36DO2 #1623, #1634, #1665
con Weber 36DO2 #1651, #1647, #1600
con Weber 36DO2 #426, #352, #413
con Weber 36DO2M #223, #189, #146
N.Telaio / ??
N. Motore
xxxxxx
xxxxxx = number normally stamped in center (towards right side) of front crossmember. There are exceptions to this “rule”.
XX = another number is sometimes found stamped at left of front crossmember on some cars and towards the right on others.
/ XX
Tipo
Carrozzeria
N. Carrozz.
913244
7.12.42
16.7..43
13.8.43
((923330))
Turismo
Graber
approntamento del telaio
ref: Alfa Romeo > Anselmi
“Consegna autelaio a Soc. per il Commercio Prodotti Alfa Romeo – Lugano”
ref: Alfa Romeo > Anselmi
Received by Graber 13.8.43
?? - ??
Note: Engine S923330 is fitted to Chassis 915616. Reported initially (and for quite some time) as “915316”.
915316
21.6.47
21.6.47
926127
SuperSport
“berlina”
approntamento del telaio
Soc. An. Cantieri di Portovenere - Genova
?? - ??
This chassis was listed for a number of years with Paul Wilson … but see: 915616.
915340
21.4.47
9.6.47
926153
Sport
approntamento del telaio
Wanda Morrone – Roma
??
Andreas Andronis (Androyez ?) - Greece
Claudio Ferioli – I
cabriolet Ghia 5 posti
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
915342
926143
Ghia
915343
19.5.47
3.6.47
926137
Sport
cabriolet Ghia
approntamento del telaio
(ref: Anselmi)
Raffaele Paparo – Roma
(ref: Anselmi)
?? - ??
discovered thru Ben Hendricks (see: Het Klaverblaadje #57)
Nobuo Harada - J
915358
26.5.47
9.6.47
25.10.47
25.10.47
5.1.49
1949
926175
Sport
cabriolet Ghia
approntamento del telaio
Mario Paparo – Roma
Cd’O from Alfa Romeo – Milano
Mario Paparo – Roma
n.a. Vasario
Cd’O from Carrozzeria Ghia – Torino
Clara Trina di Romano – Roma
Anna Maria Dalla Vecchia
socio RIAR
?? – NZ
Offered 10/5//2011 by “leolish” out of Auckland, NZ
asof1990
Sport
(ref: Alfa Romeo > Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
lire 2.425.000
lire 3.500.000 e lire 1.000.000
915382
14.6.47
2.12.47
926206
Sport
berlina Ghia speciale
approntamento del telaio
(ref: Anselmi)
Luigi Bonizzoni – Crema
(ref: Anselmi)
Concorso Villa d'Este 17-18.9.49
foto AR6C2500 p98
915396
2.7.47
7.5.48
926212
Sport
approntamento del telaio
Viscardo Baldoni – Roma
Ghia
915561
30.4.47
12.4.48
923661
SuperSport
approntamento del telaio
Umberto Legnani – MI
Ghia
915562
30.4.47
21.4.48
923662
SuperSport
approntamento del telaio
Silvio Sacco - Tortona (AL)
Ghia
915581
10.7.47
26.3.48
923681
SuperSport
cabriolet Ghia
Ghia body #101
"approntamento del telaio"
(ref: Anselmi)
Ditta S.O.C.P.I. – Verona
(ref: Anselmi)
ID plate & identity confused with that of 915727, a cabriolet by PF.
915582
7.7.47
18.10.49
923689
SuperSport
approntamento del telaio
Marchese Bermejillo del Rey – PA
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
Ghia
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
915587
15.9.47
6.8.48
923688
SuperSport
Ghia
approntamento del telaio
North East Trading Co. - Alessandria d'Egitto
915588
23.8.47
3.6.48
923696
SuperSport
cabriolet Ghia 2 posti
"approntamento del telaio"
Az. Agricola Barone Pompeo Terribile - Mesagne
?? - ??
demolito - USA
915590
22.8.47
31.8.48
923691
SuperSport
approntamento del telaio
Angela Clerico – Roma
915592
30.9.47
11.6.48
SS923702
SuperSport
cabriolet Ghia 2 posti
"approntamento del telaio"
(ref: Anselmi)
Alfonso Cabeza de Vaca (marchese de Portago) = Alfonso de Portago – Milano
?? - ??
Serge Charpentier – F
G. Gersaint auction - La Rochelle 6.12.1998 ns
?? – USA
ad (online … 2008???) as “1947” with photos
?? ownership uncertain – F ??
Chassis number seemingly stamped on top of the traces of another number?
Engine SS923702 has the compression ratio “R 7,5” on the number pad as well.
Offered 11//2011 by Atelier des coteaux – F
1957-
ao11//2011
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
Ghia
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
915593
15.9.47
8.7.48
923694
SuperSport
Ghia
approntamento del telaio
Soc. per il Comm. Prodotti Alfa Romeo – Lugano
915610
9.12.47
29.10.48
923692
SuperSport
coupe Ghia
(see: QF #25 p65)
"approntamento del telaio"
(ref: Anselmi)
Antonio Pignatelli d'Aragona - Torino
foto Ghia-DBW p23, AR6C2500 p95, Ghia-Moretti p141,
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
915614
Ghia
(ref: Alfa Romeo > Anselmi)
915615
Ghia
(ref: Alfa Romeo > Anselmi)
915616
22.1.48
2.9.49
asof1976
ao11//2011
((923719))
((cabriolet Ghia))
approntamento del telaio
(ref: Anselmi)
Giovanni Galuppo – Thiene (VI)
(ref: Anselmi)
Basil Shadlun – NJ, USA
(reported and recorded as “915316” for a number of years)
Paul C. Wilson - VA, USA
Ghia body was scrapped
Fitted with engine 923330 (Engine from 913244, originally a chassis sold to Switzerland and bodied by Graber) SEE ABOVE
A berlinetta body has been built by Paul in steel and aluminum.
915626
Ghia
(ref: Alfa Romeo > Anselmi)
915627
16.2.48
30.5.51
928187 fitted
SuperSport
"approntamento del telaio"
Lopez Guerra - Mexico D.F.
??
Jean Gorjat - USA
915727
8.2.49
31.8.49
928027
SuperSport
cabriolet Pinin Farina
PF #10231
"approntamento del telaio"
(ref: Anselmi 6C2500)
Agencia Franz Gouvion - Bruxelles
(ref: Anselmi 6C2500)
?? - ??
“from Belgium circa 1970”
(as “915581”)
Paul Heyd – D
(as “915581”)
Detlev Nussbaum – D
(as “915581”)
Alfred Bauer – D
(as “915581” with Ghia #101 on ID plate)
1976
2003 ??
2011 ??
915862
11.11.49
16.1.50
928168
SuperSport
"approntamento del telaio"
Giovanni Caretto – Torino
?? - ??
Karen Dale Macgowan - CO, USA
Dorien Berteletti - CDN
cabriolet Ghia 2 posti
(ref: Anselmi)
(ref: Anselmi)
coupe Ghia
_____
(ref: Anselmi 6C2500)
(ref: Anselmi 6C2500)
915897
2.2.50
2.3.50
30.11.51
1972
1978
1984
SS928215
SuperSport
coupe Ghia Supergioiello
"approntamento del telaio"
Carrozzeria Ghia SpA - Torino
Carlos Velazgo
Saul Gavazza
Guillermo Ferreira
Juan R. Ramirez - Olivos, Buenos Aires, R.A.
Eduardo Ramirez
(ref: Magenta)
Cesar M. Sorkin - R.A.
foto ARA p340
916040
29.11.47
20.16.49 ??
926349
Sport
Cabriolet Ghia speciale
approntamento del telaio
(ref: Anselmi)
Alessandro Ruspoli Sforza – Roma
(ref: Anselmi)
??
Cabriolet Ghia 3 seater (“1948”)
Frank Wolcott – Melbourne, FL, USA
ad R&T 9//55 p46 “1948 Alfa Romeo Super Super Sports three passenger convertible body by Ghia. 2500cc engine, 3 Webers, racing wheels,
Pirelli tires. 23,000 km”
??
Coupe Ghia Supergioello 2-3 posti
Principe Igor Troubetzkoi - "friend of Barbara Hutton"
??
Coupe Ghia 3 posti
??
Coupe Ghia Supergioiello
Johnny Ysmael - Philippines
EE11274
??
foto R&T 5//1951 = AR6C2500 Reg. 3#1 p3
Coupe Ghia
Monahan – Palm Beach, FL, USA
Ad R&T 3//57 p60 “Alfa Romeo – six cylinder 2 ½ litre, dohc, three double Webers and Ghia coupe body. Extra engine and many other spares.”
MI0064251MI (telaio Gilco) motore 924866
coupe "SIRCA" Ghia Supergioiello
(passo = 2700mm)
26.6.50
disegno Gilco per un telaio tubolare per montare componenti della Alfa Romeo 6C2500 ("per Fangio" written into papers)
(This basic chassis design may have been shared with the Cattaneo-Riva car numbered “1005”? There is a difference in the wheelbase.)
1951
numero d'ufficio assigned to chassis in Milano
(Based on other Milano-assigned numeri d’Ufficio for other years, we might expect that this was the 542nd number assigned in 1951.)
1959
imported to UK (logbook says "Model Type Fangio" … but, When was this written and by whom?)
Douglas Cartledge - London, GB
Peter Marshall measured the wheelbase at 2700mm.
auctioned: Brooks – London 24.10.95
white with blue interior
Horst W. Brozler – A
#30
Horst Brozler (A)
Villa d'Este 4/97
??
offered by Christie’s at Pebble Beach 8//2001 0
Craig Davis – CA, USA