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#34 (163) z 31.08-006.09, 2011 weli z gamodis oTxSabaTobiT z
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`vipim za buduSego
prezidenta gruzii
gigi ugulava~
qalaqia Tu
sakoncentracio banaki?!
daviT Tarxan-mouravi:
saqarTveloSi
dRes aparteidia _
`TeTrkaniani~
xelisufleba
Savkaniani
monebiviT
gveqceva...
vin aris
aleqsandre
anqvabi?
halstuxiani mglebi,
politikuri saZmoebi da
kanibalebis civilizacia
ivane javaxiSvili:
TiTqos TviT bunebas Seuqmnia qarTvel erisaTvis bumberazi daraji kavkasionis mTavari uReltexili CrdiloeTiT
da maRali mTebis zRude samxreTiT, dasavleTiT-ki mis
teritorias Savi zRvis, xolo aRmosavleTiT mdinareebis zoli aqvT
Semovlebuli. am mxriv saqarTvelo
erTs saucxovod garemozRudvils
qveyanas warmoadgens.
hamlet WipaSvili:
mudmivad rom iyos xelisuflebaSi,
amisTvis yidulobs
sazogadoebas pirdapiri da gadataniT
mniSvnelobiT. upirveles yovlisa, yidulobs axalgazrdebs, aZlevs maT Tanamdebobebs.
ra unda qnas opoziciam? unda amxilos, magram miSa dgams axal nabijs
da yidulobs opoziciasac.
maTe cixesaSili:
minda vkiTxo
mamuka
areSiZes _
asamarTlebT
Tu ara
SevardnaZes?
aldaeli vanga:
vxedav,
saakaSvilze
male
Tavdasxma
moxdeba
zaur kalandia:
... erTi sawyali
moxuci literatori maxsovs. ocdaaTian wlebSi saqarTvelos
mweralTa
kavSiris erT-erTi
xelmZRvanelTagani
yofila trabaxobda erT dRes: pavle ingoroyva, grigol robaqiZe
da konstantine gamsaxurdia gavricxe mweralTa kavSiridano...
mis gvars gavixsenebdi, magram
Rirs?...
xalxis azriT
saerTod
Cveni
eklesiis funqcia Tu isaa, rom
moTminebiT
da
uxmod ucqiros
namusgayidul erisgamyidvelTa mier eris gadaSenebas,
me es ar mimaCnia RvTis nebad!
ufali Cveni ar yofila Zaladobis morCili!
2 saerTo gazeTi
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
robert sturuas dadgmuli `Seiloki~
rusuli Teatrebis festivals gaxsnis
3-4
4 seqtembers Seqspiris piesis mixedviT, reJisor robert
sturuas mier dadgmuli speqtakli ,,Seiloki” odesaSi, rusuli
Teatrebis saerTaSoriso festivals gaxsnis. amis Sesaxeb ,,ria
novovosti” iuwyeba.
moskovis Teatri ,,et setera”,
aleqsandr kaliaginis xelmZRvanelobiT, rusuli Teatrebis saerTaSoriso festivals, saxelmwodebiT ,,Sexvedrebi odesaSi”,
swored Seqspiris ,,SeilokiT” gaxsnis.
odesaSi speqtakls reJisori robert sturuac
daeswreba.
,,SeilokSi” mTavar rols ruseTis federaciis saxalxo artisti aleqsandr kaliagini asrulebs.
aRniSnuli speqtakli Teatr ,,et seteras” repertuarSi erT-eerT saukeTesod iTvleba.
,,Seilokma” monawileoba ramdenime saerTaSoriso
Teatralur festivalSi ukve miiRo.
2009 wels ,,Seilokma” erevanSi Seqspiris saerTaSoriso festivali gaxsna.
aSS-S
Si qariSxalma ukve 40-m
mde
adamiani imsxverpla
tropikulma qariSxalma “airinma” 40-mmde
adamiani Seiwira, —
iuwyeba “bibisi”. wyaros
cmobiT, aSS-iis CrdiloaRmosavleT raionebis
xelisufleba mosaxleobas afrTxilebs, rom
qariSxliT gamowveuli
wyalmovardna SesaZloa, sam dRes gagrZeldes. dazaralebul raionebSi 5 milionze meti adamiani kvlavac eleqtroenergiis gareSea darCenili.
momxmarebelTa uflebaTa dacvis organizaciis cnobiT, sadazRvevo kompaniebs qariSxliT miyenebuli
zaralis dasafarad SesaZloa, 7 miliard dolarze
meti daujdeT. “airinma” yvelaze didi dartyma CrdiloeT karolinadan vermontamde arsebul monakveTze
mWidrod dasaxlebul regionebs miayena. mxolod niujersiSi, konektikutsa da niu-iiorkSi sacxovrebeli
saxli 3 milionze met adamians dauzianda.
am droisaTvis qariSxalma kanadasTan aSS-iis sazRvari gadakveTa da qveynis Crdilo-aaRmosavleTisken
miiwevs.
pacientis mier eqTnis cemis faqtze
sisxlis samarTlis saqme aRiZra
Telavis policiam sofel
buSetSi momxdar incidentze
sisxlis samarTlis saqme aRZra.
saqme pacientis mier saswrafo
samedicino daxmarebis samsaxuris eqTanis nino jangiraSvilis
cemas exeba, _ acnobes `medianiuss~ kaxeTis sainformacio centridan. Telavis saswrafo samedicino daxmarebis samsaxuris ufrosis vasil kobiaSvilis TqmiT, pacientis ojaxis wevrebisa da mezoblebis braldeba, rom saswrafom gamoZaxebis adgilze
misvla daagviana, simarTles ar Seesabameba. „gamoZaxebidan erT wuTSi brigada gamoZaxebis adgilze wavida.
maqsimum 10 wuTSi ukve iq iyvnen. gamoZaxebaze gasvlidan 40 wuTSi eqTani saavadmyofoSi movaTavseT. mas qala _ tvinis daxuruli travma da tvinis Seryeva aqvs.
mkurnalobas saxlSi gadis“, - aRniSna kobiaSvilma.
SegaxsenebT, rom Telavis raionis sofel buSetSi
mcxovrebma 26 wlis mamakacma saswrafo samedicino
daxmarebis eqTans nino jangiraSvils fizikuri Seuracxyofa ori dRis win miayena. mamakacis ojaxis wevrebis TqmiT, saswrafo daxmarebis brigada gamoZaxebis
adgilze droulad ar mivida, ramac pacienti gaaRiziana. saswrafos eqimi lela loqafiSvili ki ambobs,
rom avadmyofis axloblebi maT mimarT misvlisTanave
agresiulebi iyvnen, eqimebs jer sityvieri Seuracxyofa miayenes, xolo Semdeg avadmyofi eqTans, wixli Caartya da TmebiT iTria.
`medianiusi~
`saerTo gazeTis~ stumaria saojaxo medicinis saswavlo klinikuri
centris ojaxis eqimi naTela kandelaki.
_ qalbatono naTela, germaniaSi
eSerixia-kkoliT adamianebis gardac valebam, SiSis safuZveli gaaCina
CvenTanac. realurad, ramdenad saSiSia da ra iwvevs organizmSi am pro cess.
_ saerTod, nawlavTa aSliloba
gavrcelebulia bavSvebSi. is SeiZleba gamowveuli iyos sxvadasxva mizeziT. es aris martivi dispensia, (aSliloba) anu romelsac ar axasiaTebs temperaturuli reaqcia, mxolod nawlavTa aSliloba, erTi-orjer Rebineba, zogadi sisuste da madis daqveiTebaa gamoxatuli.
yvela SemTxvevaSi, nawlavTa yvela aSlilobis dros dauSvebelia
TviTmkurnaloba, vinaidan eqimis mier
unda iqnes dadgenili aSlilobis ga-
teriis dros aris dReSi 8-10-jer,
salmonelozis dros 15-20-jer. pirveli, rac keTdeba, esaa gamoSroba,
dehidratacia.
nawlavTa aSlilobis dros pirveli, rac unda gaakeToT, esaa eqimTan misvla. imas nu ityviT, rom es
sezonuria, imitom, rom mTeli wlis
manZilze romeliRac diarea moqmedebs. garda araswori kvebisa da uxarisxo sakvebisa, nawlavTa aSlilobis gamomwvevi SeiZleba gaxdes
WuWyiani xelebi, _ es ukve infeqciaa,
xolo virusuli haer-wveTovani
gziT gadadis. ase rom, mTeli wlis
manZilze aris nawlavTa aSlilobis
SemTxvevebi.
_ Cven bavSvebze daviwyeT sauba ri, magram xom SeiZleba zrdasrul
adamiansac daemarTos igive?
_ ra Tqma unda, magram ufro naklebad, radgan zrdasrul adamians
imuniteti aqvs gamomuSavebuli. riskis jgufs miekuTvnebian adamianebi,
igive qimioTerapiaa, ra mniSvneloba
aqvs saxlSi Caitareb qimioTerapias
Tu onkologiurSi...
_ zrdasruli adamianisTvisa c
xom igivea, anu ukidures SemTxveva Si unda miiRo antibiotiki, xom?
_ ra Tqma unda. am SemTxvevaSic
midis daRmavali gziT, mimdinarebs
mwvave bronqiti, filtvebis anTeba,
ramac SeiZleba, ufro da ufro gaarTulos avadmyofis mdgomareoba,
amitom, pirvelive simptomebis dros,
aucileblad unda mimarToT eqims.
daixsomeT, yovlad dauSvebelia
TviTmkurnaloba!
_ Cveneburi, `glexuri~ meTodebi
rom aris _ Zmriani windebi, aryiT
dazelva, wiwakiani aryis miReba,
Txis qoni da misTanebi? _ eseni nam dvilad ar iqneba gaidlainSi, magram
nacadia...
_ amas, qarTveli eqimi TviTon
ityvis... gaciebaze gaidlainSi ra weria, iciT: bevri Tbili siTxe, fexe-
nawlavTa aSlilobis dros
nu CaitarebT TviTmkurnalobas,
aucileblad mimarTeT eqims!
momwvevi mizezi, daisvas swori diagnozi da dainiSnos swori mkurnaloba. nawlavTa aSlilobis gamomwvevi
mizezisda mixedviT, mkurnalobac
aris sxvadasxvanairi. erTaderTi,
pirveli daxmareba es aris, Tu sicxe
38 gradusze maRalia, sicxis damwevis micema da rac SeiZleba bevri
siTxe, gansakuTrebiT humana-eleqtroliti an misi msgavsi xsnarebi,
romlebic aRadgenen eleqtrolitur
balanss organizmSi, magaliTad, regidroni, gadasxmebi ukve infeqciur
saavadmyofoSi keTdeba. eqimma unda gaakeTos avadmyofobis diferencireba.
aris aseve enterovirusi,
virusuli warmoSobis nawlavTa aSliloba, romelic
grZeldeba 1-2 dRe, romelsac axlavs muclis tkivili,
(SeiZleba Rebinebac). am
dros xdeba zogadi intoqsikacia, romelic SeiZleba gamoiwvios produqtmac, virusmac da nawlavis paTologiurma Cxirmac, ar ici
mizezi, magram enterovirusisTvis damaxasiaTebelia maRali temperatura. amasTanave, avadmyofs SeiZleba hqondes msubuqad gamoxatuli respiratoruli
movlenebi (yelis tkivili, xvela).
enterovirusia Tu ara, es unda gansazRvros eqimma.
aris nawlavTa aSliloba nawlavebis infeqciiT gamowveuli. es aris:
salmonelozi, dizenteria da a. S
salmonelozisa da dizenteriis klinikuri suraTi absoluturad gansxvavebulia, magaliTad, dizenteriis
dros nawlavTa moqmedeba aris 8-10jer da metjer. nawlavuri infeqciis zusti diagnostika xdeba mxolod
ganavlis analiziT.
_ klinikuri suraTis mixedviT,
roca TiTqmis erTnairia Cveneba, eqimisTvis ramdenadaa misaxvedri ra
sWirs avadmyofs.
_ saerTod, yvela nawlavur infeqcias eqimi advilad arCevs, imitom
rom, Tu, vTqvaT, enterovirusis
dros dReSi 2-3 jer aris kuWis moqmedeba Txeli masiT da 2 dRe, dizen-
`saerTo gazeTi~
mTavari redaqtori: vaxtang xarCilava
gamomcemeli: Sps sagamomcemlo centri `saerTo sityva~
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romlebic asakSi arian, gansakuTrebiT moxucebi da is adamianebi, romelTac aqvT iseTi daavadeba, roca
imuniteti daqveiTebulia, anu qronikuli daavadebis mqoneni (Saqriani
diabeti, Sidsi da isini, romlebic
hormonebze mkurnaloben). yvelaze
saSiSi is aris, rom Zalian swrafad
mimdinareobs organizmis dehidratacia.
yvelaze metad xSiria mwvave respiratoruli daavadeba, Cveneburad
gacieba, romelsac SeiZleba, sezonu-
ric ki vuwodoT, radgan zamTris periodisTvis ufro damaxasiaTebelia.
iwyeba ceminebiT, zogadi sisustiT,
temperaturuli reaqciiT an mis gareSec. yelis tkivili, saxsrebis da
kunTebis tkivili, Tavis tkivili,
xmis tembris Secvla _ es yvelaferi aris mwvave respiratoruli daavadebis niSnebi.
_ rodesac bavSvi im asakisaa, rom
leqsikis maragis naklebobis gamo ar
SeuZlia gadmosces ra awuxebs, ro gor unda mixvdes mSobeli ra sWirs
pataras.
_ surdo Tu aqvs, xvela, Wirveulobs, mada dauqveiTda, xaxis lorwovani gawiTlebuli aqvs, tirilis
dros xma aqvs Secvlili, _ amdeni
simptomebi xelisgulze devs. umTavresi, rac aris, araviTar SemTxvevaSi mkurnaloba ar iwyeba antibiotikiT, _ davzogoT bavSvebi antibiotikiT mkurnalobisagan! antibiotikiT
mkurnaloba Zalze arasasurvelia,
bis daTbuneba, sicxis damwevad paracetamoli da simptomaturi mkurnaloba, magaliTad, Tbili ingalacia
da cxvirSi fiziologiuri xsnari,
_ morCa. Cven vamatebT `ce~ vitamins,
imitom, rom yvela bavSvs daqveiTebuli aqvs imuniteti. gamosulia uamravi imunitetis asamaRlebeli mcenareuli preparati da imas vamatebT gulis kankaliT, imitom, rom gaidlainSi ar weria da pacients SeuZliaT
iCivlos. xvelebis miqsturas rac
Seexeba, SeiZleba Cveneba iyos yelze,
srulebiT ar iyos CaTreuli
bronqebi, magram mSobeli yidulobs da asmevs bavSvs, _
ratom!
ase
rom,
TviTmkurnalobas daanebeT
Tavi.
_ eSerixi-kkoli igive
nawlavuri infeqciaa, igive
pirveladi CvenebiT, eqims Se uZlia ganasxvavos sawyis
etapzeve?
_ eqimi svams daaxloebiT
diagnozs. Tu ar iqna baqteriologiuri gamokvleva, ra
Tqma unda, zusti diagnozi
ver daismeba, magram TviT ekoli mimdinareobs mZime
formiT. rodesac vxedavT, rom dehidratacia swrafad wavida, mdgomareoba swrafad uaresdeba, maRali
sicxea, avadmyofi maSinve Tavsdeba
stacionarSi, maSinve edgmeba wveTovani, ukeTdeba gadasxma, baqteriologiuri analizi da viRebT zust diagnozs. pirveladi jandacvis doneze
xdeba savaraudo diagnozis dasma da
swori referalis gakeTeba. udidesi
mniSvneloba aqvs, ramdenad sworad
gaakeTeb referals, anu gadagzavnas
sxvadasxva saavadmyofoSi, _ pirveladi jandacva imisTvis aris sawiro,
Tu rame saeWvos SevniSnavT, droulad mivxedoT. Cven unda SevafasoT
pacientis mdgomareoba, aris Tu ara
stacionarSi gadasayvani. mkurnaloba
iwyeba, ra Tqma unda, sisxlis da ganavlis saerTo analiziT. pacienti,
Tundac martivi dispepsia iyos,
aucileblad eqimis yoveldRiuri
meTvalyureobis qveSaa.
maia WeliZe
gazeTi xelmZRvanelobs Tavisufali presis principiT.
SesaZloa, avtoris pozicia ar eTanxmebodes redaqciis azrs.
informaciis sizusteze pasuxismgebelia avtori.
gasaCivreba SesaZlebelia masalis gamoqveynebidan erTi kviris vadaSi.
Semosuli masalebi avtorebs ar ubrundeba.
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
saerTo gazeTi
daRlili eri
aRmarTTan
saukuneebia movdivarT, movdivarT, movdivarT da daviRaleT.
vzivarT axla aRmarTis Ziras da vbWobT _ rogor jobs, am aRmarTze
avideT _ marcxnidan movuaroT, marjvnidan movuaroT Tu pirdapir avaWraT?
vzivarT da vbWobT, vdaobT, sxvadasxva variantebs varCevT, am bWobaSi
da davaSi ki wlebi gadis, Cven ki isev vzivarT da vbWobT, imis nacvlad,
rom avdgeT fexze da aRmarTs SevuyveT...
SadrevnebSi
Casaxuli suli
Cven gvatyueben, roca gveubnebian,
rom es xelisufleba, roca maRalsarTulian saxlebs da sastumroebs aSenebs, amiT qarTul saxelmwifos aSenebs.
Cven gvatyueben, roca gveubnebian,
rom roca xelisuflebas gzebi gahyavs,
ai, es aris qarTuli saxelmwifos mSenebloba.
arada, saxelmwifos siZlire da
simaRle arc Sadrevnebis simaRliT
izomeba, arc saxlebis da sastumroebis simaRliT, arc gzebis sigrZe-siganiT, arc turistuli zonebis simSvenieriT da momxiblaobiT, arc turistebis simravliT.
me meCveneba, rom am damkvreluri
Cven gvatyueben, roca gvarwmuneben,
rom Tu baTums, anaklias, mestias turistul zonebad aqceven, amiT qarTuli saxelmwifo aSendeba.
Cven gvatyueben, roca gveubnebian,
rom rac ufro bevri Sadrevani iqneba
saqarTveloSi da rac ufro maRla da
maRla aswvdeba am Sadrevnebis Wavli,
miT ufro maRali iqneba qarTuli saxelmwifo, TiTqos SadrevnebSi iyos
gardasuli qarTuli saxelmwifos suliereba.
mSeneblobebis fonze, am samSeneblo
fasadebis miRma qarTuli saxelmwifos
gamalebuli ngreva mimdinareobs.
TiTqos es mSeneblobebi imisTvis
sWirdebaT, rom ngrevis procesi SeniRbon da xmamaRla iZaxon _ xom xedavT, vaSenebT, xom xedavT, vaSenebT
da am dros mSeneblobaTa sqeli
mtvris da buRis tixars miRma Cumad,
qurdulad angrion is, razec dgas
qarTuli saxelmwifo.
sakmarisia, sadme axali organizacia gafaCundes da es kaci iq aris. rogorc wesi, metwilad Cumadaa, magram, rac mTavaria, iq aris _ midi-modis, viRacas miesalmeba, viRacas gamoesaubreba, viRacas xels dauqnevs, telekamerebSic SeiWyiteba _ mokled, iq aris.
mere es axali organizacia
rom moZveldeba da mofamfaldeba da sxva axali organizacia
Seiqmneba, es isev iq aris.
politikis enaze ar vici,
ra hqvia, magram fexburTis enaze rom vTqvaT, moxetiale
forvardi hqvia aseT kacs _
arc Tavdamsxelia, arc naxevarmcveli, arc garemarbi _ moxetialea _ xan aq aris, xan iq
aris, sadac mwvrTneli miuTiebs.
moxetiale
forvardi
am kacis mwvrTneli aravin icis,
vinaa _ moxalises ufro hgavs, Tavisi nebiT rom Semovardnila moedanze da darbis win da ukan.
moxetiale forvardi ki ara,
derviSi politikosi ufro mouxdeba saxelad am kacs...
ai, axlac, axali politikuri
partia iqnebao da gavixede da es ka-
ci, rogorc wesi, iq aris! axlaxan
ki erT-erTi gazeTis pirveli gverdidan dagvejRana _ axal partias
vqmniT da me saorganizacio sabWos
wevri varo.
am kacisa imdenad ar mikvirs, ufro im kacis saqcieli maocebs, moxetiale forvardis imediT rom
qmnis partias.
opoziciis ocneba
wvimebi daiwyo, Semodgoma modis...
qarTul opozicias Semodgomaze, zamTris win uyvars gafarTxaleba, rom mere valmoxdilma Tbil bunags miaSuros da gazafxulamde iZinos.
es erTgar tradiciad, erTgvar savaldebulo ritualad iqca qarTuli opoziciisTvis _ sadRac oqtomber-noemberSi waiJRurtul-waiJivJiveben da mere
miwynardebian.
saqmes iseTi piri uCans, SeiZleba es tradicia wels dairRves da opoziciam yovelgvari xmauris da JRurtul-JivJivis gareSe miaSuros logins, rom erTi kargad gamoiZinos da momavali wlis saparlamento arCevnebs gamoZinebuli
da fer-xorcze mosuli Sexvdes, rom bevri irbinos, bevri ivaWros da rogorme erTi-ori adgili daiTrios parlamentSi.
am opozicias sxva ocneba da sxva sadardebeli ara aqvs garda erTisa _ es
aris skami, rom Sig is adgili CaabrZanon, romelsac ise moxerxebulad, ise marjved aTamaSeben, nebismier mucliT mocekvaves SeSurdeba.
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4 saerTo gazeTi
`saerTo gazeTma~ #25 #26
da #27-Si vrceli werili dabeWda erovnul biblioTekaSi arsebul yovelmxriv
TavaSvebulobaze.
Cveni respondenti qalbatoni
irma doliZe araerTxel Semxvda aTasgvari dokumentebiT savse failebiT da yvela saubrisas
erTsa da imaves imeorebda, nuTu
prokuraturaSi aravin kiTxulobs gazeTs da Tu kiTxuloben,
aravis awuxebs rac iq xdebao?
marTalia, werilebis dabeWvdidan mxolod erTi Tve gavida,
magram momlodine adamianisTvis
erTi saaTic ki usasrulod iweleba, araTu erTi Tve da hoi, saocrebav! _ gasul kviras sajaro
biblioTekis direqtorma boris
gaguam, ramdenadac sajaro biblioTeka parlamentis daqvemdebarebaSia, parlamentis Tavmjdomaris, daviT baqraZis saxelze gancxadeba dawera gadadgomis Sesaxeb.
rogorc erovnul biblioTekaSi arsebul ria-riaSi met-naklebad Caxeduli piri, axla levan TaqTaqiSvils vumzer, umTavres figuras wignebis aorTqlebis saqmeSi, pirs, romelsac pirdapir adeben xels erovnuli biblioTekis yofili TanamSromlebi, mainteresebs, Tavisi nebiT dawers isic gancxadebas Tu skamidanve cimcim waacunculeben prokuraturaSi.
ara, mainc ra operatiulad
momuSave gamxdara saqarTvelos
mTavari prokuratura, erTi Tvec
ar dasWirda Tavis mosafxanad.
morCa! aRaravin Tqvas augi saqar-
irma
doliZe
Tvelos prokuraturis Sesaxeb,
Torem CemTan eqneba saqme!...
vinc mizezTa gamo Tvals ver
adevnebda `saerTo gazeTis~ ivnisis nomrebs, ganvumartav, rom
parlaments daqvemdebarebuli sajaro biblioTekis direqtoris
boris gaguas meuRle nino nakaSiZe, saqarTvelos elCi CexeTSi,
parlamentis yofili Tavmjdomaris, aw radikaluri opozicioneris nino burjanaZis axlo megobari da inglisuris maswavlebelia. (qalbaton burjanaZes inglisuris maswavlebeli ratom
unda dasWirveboda 4-5 wlis win,
ver vxvdebi, magram ase ki ambobda qalbatoni nakaSiZe) mkiTxvelo, nu daibnevi, Tu imasac vityvi (gavimeoreb), rom qalbatoni
nino nakaSiZis elCis kandidaturze kenWisyris dros, daviT
baqraZem pirdapir ganacxada,
qalbatoni nino Cemi inglisuris
maswavlebeli iyo, masTan subieqturi damokidebuleba maqvs da
mis kandidaturas Tanxmobas vaZlevo; misi moswavleebi iyvnen
aseve: giorgi arvelaZe, baTu quTelia, nika vaSakiZe, gia xeviaSvili, irakli qavTaraZe...
principSi, ojaxuri wyvilisTvis burjanaZe gaWrili kartia,
gamoiyenes Tavis droze da Semdeg, situaciidan gamomdinare,
uganes, Tanamdebobebze gadaaxurdaves.
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
ra mizans emsaxureba prokuraturis
daintereseba erovnuli
biblioTekaSi Seqmnili mdgomareobiT _
damnaSaveTa dasjas Tu...?
mokled, prokuraturam rom
namdvilad is gaakeTa, rac mas
evaleboda, faqtia, dainteresda
dokumenturad gamyarebuli da
dalagebuli sagamoZiebo masalis
gazeTis versiiT, Tumca, zemoT
CamoTvlili personebis gavleniT
ra saboloo verdiqts gamoitans
damnaSave pirebis mimarT, marTlac sainteresoa.
erTi kviraa imasac vfiqrob,
sakuTari struqturis umaqnisoba
xom ar Semoeyara mTavar prokuraturas da kidev `viRacas~ gulze-Tqo, radgan namdvilad
gaocebuli viyavi qalbaton
irma doliZis mowodebuli
dokumentaciiT, ramdeni da
sad aRar uvlia da uSedegod:
xelSi miWiravs saqarTvelos mTavari prokuraturis
sagamoZiebo nawilis prokuroris, baton merab jangvelaZis
xelmowerili
tituliani
furceli, 2009 wliT daTariRebuli mimarTva, Tbilisis
prokuroris moadgilis, sagamoZiebo nawilis ufros joni
maWaraSvilisa da Tbilisis
prokuroris moadgilis, sagamoZiebo nawilis ufros vaxtang iaSvilisadmi, rom egzavnebaT wignis palatisa da erovnuli biblioTekis yofili TanamSromlebis koleqtiuri gancxadeba da mTavari prokuratura (da
ganmcxadeblebi) elis maT mier
miRebul gadawyvetilebas. aqvea
pasuxi miwerili merab jangvelaZisadmi: _ `Tqvens mier Tbilisis
prokuraturaSi gadmogzavnili
saqarTvelos parlamentis ilia
WavWavaZis saxelobis erovnuli
biblioTekis yofili TanamSromlebis gancxadebebi qvemdebarebiT
gadaegzavna saqarTvelos kontrolis palatas~. pativiscemiT,
q. Tbilisis prokuraturis sagamoZiebo nawilis prokurori k.
niqacaZe.
ver mivxvdi ras niSnavda es
mimowera da qalbaton irmas
vkiTxe ganmarteba.
_ imas, rom kontrolis palata ar daemorCila prokuraturis moTxovnas. faqti erTia,
ar dagvitovebia arcerTi instancia, magram 2007 wlis Semdeg
arc gegmiuri da arc kompleqsuri SemowmebiT arcerTxel ar Sesula kontrolis palata erovnul biblioTekaSi. naxeT kontrolis palatis xelmZRvanelis
pasuxi, _ miTxra irmam da mec
vnaxe:
02.03.2009 w _ `Tqveni gancxadebis pasuxad gacnobebT, rom
q. Tbilisis prokuraturis sagamoZiebo nawilis prokuroris k.
niqacaZis saxeliT kontrolis
palataSi raime saxis koleqtiuri gancxadeba Semosuli ar aris.
amasTan, kontrolis palataSi
moZiebul iqna j. maWaraSvilis
mier gamogzavnili N2/3 da N36/03
werilebi, TandarTuli moqalaqeebis gancxadebebiTa da sxvadasxva masalebiT. werilebSi warmodgenilia informacia saqarTvelos
parlamentis ilia WavWavaZis saxelobis erovnul biblioTekaSi
arsebuli SesaZlo finansuri
darRvevebis Sesaxeb. saqarTvelos kontrolis palataSi mimdinareobs centraluri aparatis
struqturuli erTeulebis reorganizacia, romlis dasrulebis Semdeg, SesaZlebeli gaxdeba
kontrolis palatis 2009 wlis
auditis gegmis farglebSi saqarTvelos parlamentis ilia WavWavaZis saxelobis erovnuli biblioTekis safinanso-ekonomikuri
saqmianobis gaTvaliswineba~.
_ axla 2011 wlis ivnisia,
rogor ggoniaT, 2009 wlis 22
ianvridan, dRemde, kontrolis
palataSi struqturuli reorganizacia ar dasrulebula? _ aqeT
mkiTxa qalbatonma irmam.
ra Tqma unda, yvelgan yvelanairi reorganizacia dasrulebuli iyo, magram aravin iZleoda
pasuxs.
ar vici, konkretulad ram
gamoafxizla mTavari prokuratura, magram gazeTiT miwvdenil
xmaze reagirebis precedenti rom
Seiqmna am ganukiTxaobis qveyanaSi, esec saqmea.
boris
gagua
batonma gaguam piradi interesebi da ojaxuri pirobebis gamo iTxova Tanamdebobidan gaTavisufleba. piradi motivacia, isaa,
rom Turme meuRle elCia CexeTSi da xSirad veRar arian erTad.
es, kargi, magram realurad
ra udevs safuZvlad batoni ga-
guas Tanamdebobidan gadadgomas,
amis Sesaxeb am etapze mxolod
varaudebis gamoTqma SeiZleba.
iqneb meuRlis elCoba ufro
mniSvnelovania da misi kariera
rom ar gafuWdes, Tanamdebobas
imitom tovebs? (qalbatoni nakaSiZe elCad rom iniSneboda CexeTSi, xolo TviT gagua rom
erovnuli biblioTekis direqtorad unda darCeniliyo TbilisSi,
maSin ar iyo cxadi ori zrdasruli adamianisTvis, rom erT qalaqSi ver iqnebodnen?)
iqneb, erovnuli biblioTekis
Senobebis gayidva igegmeba misi
zemdgomi parlamentis SenobasTan
erTad? _ direqtori aRara; rac
fondia, _ gadavabarebT viRacas
da morCa!
iqneb, saqme wignis fondis gadabarebaSia? _ udavoa, rom am
SemTxvevaSi ori subieqti monawileobs _ gadambarebeli da mimRebi.
rodesac batoni gagua CamobrZanda aSS-idan, gamoacxada,
srulad ixureba biblioTekao.
alurad miTiTebul raodenobasTan. 19 mln-idan 16 mln gaxda,
Semdeg 4 mln da axla, rusuli
fondic Tu gaqra, mTlianobaSi
fondis ra raodenoba gamqrala?
Tu batoni mirian xositaSvili seqtemerSi mainc da mainc
direqtorad daniSnes da ar datoves direqtoris movaleobis
Semsruleblad, rogorc yvela
axali direqtori, isic reorganizacias Caatrebs. samkiTxvelo
darbazebi ar muSaobs, wignis gacema ar xdeba, fondi srulad
ixureba (alternatiul farTs
eZeben), _ amden usaqmurad darCenil biblioTekis TanamSromels, Zneli warmosadgenia, rom
srulad aZlion xelfasi biujetidan. ra perseqtiva aqvT, _ araferi, an sulac daiTxoven, an,
ukeTes SemTxvevaSi xelSekrulebaze gadaiyvanen, SeiZleba, `savaldebulo SvebulebebSic~ gauSvan da ganaxevrebuli xelfasebi miscen. saqme imaSia, rom wlis
bolomde sxvas verafers moaxerxeben, am wlis biujeti gaweri-
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.net
ze
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
mas davalebuli levan TaqTaqiSvilisTvis hqonda, rom moeZebna
wignis fondis alternatiuli
adgili. droebiT abareb vinmes
Seasanaxad amden wigns, Tu samudamod, yvela SemTxvevaSi TvliT
unda Cabardes, _ aq xom `gaiWeda~ batoni gagua?
piradad CemTvis cnobilia,
rom ver moiZebna rusuli fondi,
romelic 2 milionamde unda yofiliyo, (saubaria savaldebulo
calebze) Tu meti ara, radgan es
raodenoba bolo inventarizaciis
monacemebiT aris, romelic 70ian wlebSi Catarda. mas Semdeg,
rusuli gamocemebi mxolod emateboda. vinme ambobs, rom
erovnuli biblioTekidan rusuli sacavis TanamSromlebi
gaTavisuflebulebi arian sajaro biblioTekidan?
amJamad erovnuli biblioTekis direqtoris movaleobis
Semsrulebeli mirian xositaSvilia, romelic parlamentma
gaamwesa biblioTekaSi. manamde,
baton gaguas gureSiZis ganTavisuflebis Semdeg modgile
miuvlines, (gvari ver davadgine) romelic seriozulad dainteresda biblioTekis muSaobiT, ris gamoc usiamovno saubari mouxda gaguas da `is kaci~ aRar gamoCenila. (kuluaruli informaciiT, gaguam
parlamentSi mimarTa viRacas,
rom is kaci sajarodan ukanve gaewviaT) ilias universitetSi gamoiZebna wignis fondisTvis farTobi, Tu sxvagan, mniSvneloba ar
aqvs, ar aris gamoricxuli, rom
Tvlis dros gamoCnda fondis
raodenobrivi Seusabamoba ofici-
lia, TiToeul Statze xelfasia
gawerili, xolo ianvridan yvelaferi SeuZlia direqtoris movaleobis Semsrulebels, araTu
direqtors. momavali wlis martamde, parlamentis reglamentis
mixedviT, man unda waradginos
axali biujetis proeqti (es Sida administraciuli warmoebaa,
rac gaguam daarRvia Tavis droze). sainteresoa, rogor unda
waradginos 476 TanamSromelze,
Tu isini samuSaos ar asruleben,
anu ianvridan gamoCndeba ra funqciiT iqneba axali direqtori.
rac Seexeba qalbatoni nakaSiZis parlamentar moswavleebs,
rogorc Cans, autkivar Tavs ar
aitkiveben. bolo-bolo, vinc
wignis fondi unda gadaibaros,
vTqvaT, gigi TevzaZem, (ilias
universiteti) ratom aikidebs
tvirTad 2 mln wigns, ratom daadasturebs 4 mln Cavibareo...
yvelaferTan erTad, erovnuli biblioTekis struqturaSi
Caxedul adamians erTi kiTxva
aucileblad daebadeba, kargi, gagua direqtori gaxldaT, magram
wignis dazianeba-aorTqlebaze pasuxismgebeli, konkretulad levan TaqTaqiSvilis iyo da mas ratom aravin sTxovs pasuxs, viRacebs xom ar eSiniaT misi ametyvelebisao?
ise, uniWo speqtaklad qceul
saqarTveloSi namdvilad ar gamikvirdeba, rom erovnul biblioTekasTan dakavSirebuli Zvrebic da svlebic speqtaklis Semadgeneli nawili iyos, _ simboluri xmauriT gaaridon sacixo
saqmes qalbatoni elCis meuRle...
maia WeliZe
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
_ `zaralam~ Tanmxleb qalbatons 150 000 dolaris Rirebulebis majis saaTi uyidao,
_ wamoscda am ambis Semswre
erT adamians, romelic gaocebas ver malavda im mefuri guluxvobiT da xelgaSlilobiT,
romelic `zaralam~ `Caidina~.
amboben, `vardebis revoluciis~ Semdeg mosulma xelisuflebam `zarala~ seriozulad daazarala _ daiWira da
milionebi moataninao, Tumca
am dazaralebam `zaralas~ mainc xeiri moutana da axal xelisuflebasTan Zmuri da partnioruli `atnaSeniebis~ damyarebis Sansi gauCina.
amas hqvia, zogi Wiri, am
SemTxvevaSi zarali, margebeliao.
`zaralas~ Tavgadasavali
raRaciT hgavs `konkias~ Tavgadasavals, bolo iqac keTili
iyo da aqac keTilia, magram,
samwuxarod, `zaralas~ Taobis
bevri lamazi biWi miwaSi wevs
didi xania.
maT, sruliad axalgazrdebs, SeiZleba iTqvas, bavSvebs, avtomati SeaCeCes xelSi
keTilma biZiebma da uTxres: _
axla Tqven gekuTvniT es qveyana, Tqven unda gaakontroloT
`palaJenia~, midiT, deda utireT, biWebo, pasuxs veravin
mogTxovT, radgan Tqven TviTon xarT pasuxis momTxovni
yvelasgano.
ase Seiqmna patar-patara SeiaraRebuli dajgufebebi, e.w.
`saZmoebi~, romlebic jer sxvebs daerivnen, mere ki erTmaneTs daupirispirdnen da biZiebisgan naCuqari avtomatebiT
erTmaneTi amoxoces.
vinc gadarCa, isini cofiani ZaRlebiviT quCebSi daxvrita imave xelisuflebam, romelic am biWebis da kidev sxva
biWebis mxrebze movida da Zalaufleba mTeli aTi wliT
SeinarCuna.
`zarala~ am dakarguli Taobis Svilia da es adamiani pativiscemas da TanagrZnobas imsaxurebs, Tundac imitom, rom
moaxerxa da cocxali gamoZvra
im sasaklaodan, romelmac mTeli misi Taoba Seiwira, Semdeg
ki seriozuli biznesic aawyo,
ar daikarga am junglebSi da
mglebis xrovas Tavi ar SeaWmevina...
saerTo gazeTi
* * *
xSirad mifiqria _ ra aris
es, ra qveyanaa, vina varT Cven
da ra hqvia imas, rac Cvens
garSemo xdeba?
_ ra hqvia da kanibalebis
civilizacia _ ase Seafasa amJamad saqarTvelodan gadaxvewilma erTma qarTvelma situacia, romelSic TiTqmis oci
welia vcxovrobT.
koleqtiuri kriminalisken
midrekil jogebs dRes, Tanamedrove enaze ekliani hqvia,
zogjer partiebsac eZaxian,
xandaxan saZmoebsac, Tumca saxels ra mniSvneloba aqvs,
mTavaria, rom joguria mizani
da amocana, risTvisac es klanebi, partiebi Tu saZmoebi iqmneba.
ara gamoZieba, ara braldebebi, ara sasamarTlo procesi,
xelisufleba marTmlsajulebis yovelgari principebis da
normebis gareSe atyvevebda
adamianebs, usaxelebda maT gamosasyid Tanxas da Semdeg uSvebda.
rogorc mboben, gamosasyidis saxiT Sewerili uzarmazari Tanxebis mxolod umniSvne-
halstuxiani mglebi,
politikuri saZmoebi da
kanibalebis civilizacia
kanibalebis civilizacia _
Zalian mwared aris naTqvami.
_ kanibalebi adamianis xorcs Wamen, marTalia, Cven ar
vWamT adamianis xorcs, magram
Cven vWamT erTmaneTs, amasTan
erTad gvaqvs pretenzia, gverqvas civilizebuli eri, miuxedavad imisa, rom erTmaneTs
vWamT da vanadgurebT _ albaT,
amis Tqma undoda zemoTnaxsenebi replikis avtors.
aris am replikaSi raRac sagulisxmo da damafiqrebeli.
Cvens garSemo
marTlac aris raRac civilizebulad
kanibaluri
garemo, kulturis
da civilizaciis
elementebiT Selamazebul-Sekazmuli, magram arsiT
kanibaluri.
ratom gaikvirveT da ratom gaioceT es mosazreba
_ Tqven ra, arasodes
ginaxavT
Tqvens SesaWmelad
gamzadebuli kacis
sisxliani Tvalebi,
arasodes CagsmeniaT alesili kbilebis xrWiali, arasodes daufrTxixarT adamianSi Casaxlebuli mxecis molandebas?
qarTul telearxebs uyureT ufro xSirad da naxavT.
kanibalurTan erTad aris
Cvens xasiaTSi pirvelyofiljoguri instinqtebi da Tvisebebi da, rac yvelaze mTavaria,
miswrafeba koleqtiuri danaSaulisken, koleqtiuri kriminalisken.
* * *
gasuli saukunis 90-in
wlebSi spontanurad aRmocenebuli da aseve spontanurad ganadgurebuli saZmoebis kvaldakval axali saZmoebi Seiqmna
da qveyana dRemde maT mier
imarTeba, oRond ufro daxvewilad, sxva stiliT da sxva
xelweriT.
saZmo iyo Tavidan moqkavSiri, romelic SemdegSi partiad gadakeTda da Tavis wiaRSi
Seva axali saZmo _ reformatorebad wodebuli moqkavSiris axalgazrduli frTa, momavalSi nacionalur moZraobad saxeldebuli. nacionaluri moZraoba, romelic mmarTvel partiad mogvevina, xelisuflebaSi mosvlis pirveli dReebidanve ar iqceoda
ise, rogorc Cveulebrivi
politikuri organizacia
iwyebs politikur moRvaweobas. `nacionaluri moZraoba~ pirvelive wuTebidan yofili partiuli kolegebis (`moqkavSiridan~),
biznesmenebis wina xelisuflebasTan daaxloebuli
adamianebis Zarcvas da dayaCaRebas Seudga am sityvis
pirdapiri mniSvnelobiT.
iWerdnen
adamianebs,
uyenebdnen
ultimatums,
moetanaT amdeni da amdeni
milioni da roca datyvevebuli dasaxelebul Tanxas moitanda, mas aTavisuflebdnen.
msgavsi precedentis dasaxeleba msoflio praqtikaSi
Zalian gaWirdeba.
es iyo Ria reketi, romelsac saxelmwifo daufarvad,
uaRresad cinikuri formiT
axorcielebda sakuTari moqalaqeebis mimarT.
lo nawili formdeboda oficialurad, Tu oficialuri
SeiZleba ewodos `dokuments~,
sadac am ucnauri garigebis
ramdenimewinadadebiani teqsti
ewera.
xSir SemTxvevaSi im Tanxis
oficialur Semomtanad, romelic qaRaldze formdeboda,
fiqsirdeboda ara datyvevebuli moqalaqe, aramed misi advokati.
_ vinmem rom naxos es dokumentebi, gancvifrdeba, imdeni SeZlebuli advokati gvyavs
Turme, romlebic Tavisi sayvareli klientebis dasaxsnelad
asiaTasebs ixdian sakuTari
jibidan _ ganacxada erTma
cnobilma advokatma, romelic
kargad icnobs am saqmeebs.
arsebobda fulis gamoZalvis ori varianti _ I varianti
_ iWerdnen adamians da manamde
ar uSvebdnen, sanam fuls ar
moitanda. II varianti _ ar
iWerdnen, magram mkacrad afrTxilebdnen, rom amden da amden milions Tu ar moitanda,
daiWerdnen da ise moataninebdnen or imdens.
gafrTxileba, rogorc wesi, Wrida...
ai, am meore variantis mixedviT ganxorcilebuli `operacia~ saerTod ar fiqsirdeboda arsad da Semosuli Tanxa pirdapir xelisuflebis
warmomadgenelTa jibeebSi ileqeboda.
gamoCnda windaxedul adamianTa kategoriac, romlebic arc
gafrTxilebas dalodebian da
arc daWeras. maT nebayoflobiT,
sakuTari iniciativiT mihqondaT xarki iq, sadac jer ars.
cxadia, Sewerili Tanxebis
raodenoba kolosalur cifrs
aRwevs, magram konkretulad ramdeni milioni Tu miliardi aikrifa, sazogadoebisTvis ucnobia.
sazogadoebisTvis isic ucnobia, rogor nawildeboda es
Tanxebi konkretul pirebze,
vis ramdeni ergeboda xolme
nadavlidan.
seifSi saimedod Caketili
Savi sia, SesaZloa, sadRac arsebobs, xolo ra weria im Sav
siaSi amis Sesaxeb albaT, sul
ramdenime adamianma icis, maT
Soris aucileblad icis safrangeTSi gaparulma irakli
oqruaSvilma, romelic bolo
xanebSi samSobloze Seyvarebuli gulwrfeli da alali biWis rols TamaSobs da ise miamiturad afaxulebs Tvalebs,
TiTqos arc milionebi auxevia
vinmesTvis da arc loginSi Sevardnia.
am Savi siaSi Camowikwikebuverasodes ver ityvian srul
simarTles, radgan es simarTle maTac ise walekavs, rogorc danarCenebs.
* * *
reketis, gamoZalvis, warTmevis, Seweris, SantaJis, Zaladobis wesebisTvis nacmoZraobas arc SemdegSi uRalatia.
is dRemde am xerxebiT
`marTavs~ saxelmwifos da raRac mizezebis gamo arasasurvelad da arasaimedod miCneul
biznesmenebs Tu sxva pirebs
zustad ise areketebs, rogorc xelisuflebaSi mosvlis
pirvel wlebSi.
gansxvaveba isaa, rom Tu
pirvel xanebSi reketi `sxvisianebze~ vrceldeboda mxo-
lod, dRes reketis msxverplni xdebian nacmoZraobis wiaRSi, maTi xelSewyobiT gamdidrebuli `Tavisianebic~.
_ Tu WkuiT ar iqnebi, rogorc mogeci, ise wagarTmev, _
aseTia xelisuflebis mxridan
wamosuli gafrTxileba.
6 gv.
5
6 saerTo gazeTi
5 gv.
xelisufleba, xelisuflebao, aviCemeT, magram ratom, ra niSniT SeiZleba ewodos am Zalas
xelisufleba?
xelisuflebaa es Tu
kargad organizebuli da
sxvadasxva saxelmwifo
atributikiT kargad SeniRbuli mravalricxovani saZmo, Tavisi policiiT, Tavisi specnaziT, Tavisi prokuraturiT da
Tavisi sasamarTloTi?
rogorc vTqviT, nacmoZaobis saZmo sakmaod
mravalricxovani da mravalferovania, rac am didi, SigniT avtonomiurseparatistuli midrekilebis mqone patar-patara
saZmoebis CamoyalibebiT
mTavrdeba xolme, romlebic adre Tu gvian aucileblad daupirispirdebian erTmaneTs.
halstuxiani
mglebi da
banditebis
saZmo
ase rom, win `Zmebis~
samkvdro-sasicocxlo
omi gvelodeba, omi gavlenis
sferoebisTvis,
omi
ZalauflebisTvis,
omi finansebisTvis, omi
gadarCenisTvis.
ramdenime `saZmo~ nacmoZraobis didi saZmos
SigniT ukve gamoikveTa,
SeiZleba male sxvebmac
wamohyon Tavi _ momaval
wels xom saparlmento
arCevnebia, romelsac wesiT da rigiT, arCevnebi
ki ra, saZmoebis `sxadniaki~ unda erqvas.
* * *
`zarala~, quCis junglebis brZolebs cocxlad gadaCenili, dakarguli Taobis Svili, sulac ar hgavs bednier
kacs, miuxedavad imisa,
rom milionebic iSova da
trampTanac ki iyo vizitze.
man icis, rom im avtomatian biWebTan SedarebiT, romlebic mafiozobanas TamaSobdnen da
am TamaSs Seewirnen, eseni, es halstuxiani mglebi namdvili kaciWamiebi
arian, romelTa msgavsi
jiSis da modgmis xrova
saqarTvelos
ki
ara
msoflios ar molandebia.
rogor ipoves maT erTmaneTi, vin Sekriba isini erTad, da vin Seqmna
amaTgan politikuri `saZmo~ saqarTvelos saZarcvavad asaoxreblad da dasapyrobad?...
daviT qavTaria
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
kadafi mtrebs ebrZoda, miSa
mtrebs yidulobs da qrTamavs...
gvesaubreba
poliitologii
hamlet WipaSvili.
_ batono hamlet, ra xdeba
msoflioSi. ram warmoSva problemebi musulmanur samyaroSi?
_ libiis problema dRes da
guSin ar dawyebula. misi saTaveebi arabuli Tavsatexidan modis, romelic 1991 wlis dasawyisSi gaCnda.
dRes situacia libiaSi aseTia: amboxebulebma libiis mmarTvelis _ muamar kadafis
sacxovrebeli rezidencia daikaves. Zarcva-ganiaveba Cveulebrivi
movlena gaxda ara mxolod tripoliSi, aramed sxva qalaqebSic.
arastabiluri viTarebaa tunissa da egvipteSi. egviptis prezidenti iZulebiT CamoaSores
xelisuflebas. qveyanas droebiT
marTavs samxedro sabWo, vidre
iq saparlamento da saprezidento arCevnebi gaimarTebodes. prezidenti hosni mubaraqi saavadmyofoSi imyofeba, Tumca mimdinareobs sasamarTlo procesi
TviT mubaraqisa da misi vaJiSvilebis winaaRmdeg. miuxedavad
avadmyofobisa, mubaraqi sasamarTlo procesebze sakaciT mihyavT. ase pasuxobs dasmul SekiTxvebs egviptis erovnuli gmiri, yofili mfrinavi, TiTqmis
30 weliwadi qveynis prezidenti
nebis daSlasTan dakavSirebiT.
gaixseneT iugoslaviis magaliTi
da sxvebic...
veraviTari Zala qveynis Signidan ver SeZlebda kadafis gadadgomas, magram dasavleTma
iaraRiT, sahaero dabombviT da
a.S. xeli Seuwyo am process. ra
iqneba libia xval, es aravin
icis, erTi ram cnobilia, Tu ar
iqneba kadafi, dasavleTis poziciebi libiaSi sakmaod mtkice
iqneba. magram es varaudic kiTxvis niSnis qveS dgeba, radgan 8
Tvis Semdeg, roca iq arCevnebi
iqneba, SesaZloa, qveynis saTaveSi muslimani radikalebi moxvdnen, rac, savaraudod, kidev er-
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
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ze
hosni mubaraqi. misi sikvdiliT
dasjas, mosaxleobis 65 procenti iTxovs. ase rom, qveynis
xelmZRvanels, rac unda cudi
iyos, araTu RmerTi ar apatiebs,
aramed Tavisi xalxic dasjis.
Tu egviptesa da tunisSi
aSS-i xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg
naklebad aqtiurobda, libiaSi
sxva viTareba iyo. kadafi eqscentruli mmarTveli gaxldaT, riTac winaaRmdegobrivi damokidebuleba gamoiwvia arabTa ligaSi.
mas hqonda arasaxarbielo damokidebuleba aSS-Tan da dasavleTTanac. magram mas Semdeg, rac
aSS-ma dabomba libia, man Secvala poziciebi da dawyebuli birTvuli bombis warmoeba Sewyvita.
Tumca mainc gairbina kadafsa
da dasavleTis wamyvan qveynebs
Soris Savma katam. revolucia
daiwyo bengaziSi. mokled, asea
Tu ise, revoluciur talRas
xeli dasavleTma Seuwyo, axla
Tamamad SeiZleba amis Tqma.
ratom? mizezi isaa, rom dasavleTma CaTvala kadafi mainc
araa sando, SevcvaloT igi SedarebiT liberali mmarTveliT da
bolos da bolos davSaloT kadafis mier Sekruli qveyana nawilebad. Tqven kargad mogexsenebaT dasavleTis pozicia qvey-
Ti cxeli wertilis kera SeiZleba gaxdes. magram es varaudia.
_ arasaxarbielo viTarebaa
siriaSic.
_ siria gacilebiT rTuli
qveyanaa, vidre libia. prezidenti baSar asadi mamis memkvidreobas flobs. qveyanas kargi SeiaraReba hyavs da araerTxel
uomia israelTan, rac imas niSnavs, rom am mxriv sakmaod angariSgasawevi Zalaa, Tumca mas seriozuli mowinaaRmdegebi hyavs
samxreTiT radikaluri muslimanebis saxiT. rac Seexeba revoluciur talRas, igi libiidan
siriaze gavrcelda da iqac permanentuli gamosvlebi mimdinareobs. ganadgurebulia qalaqebi.
moklulia asobiT policieli,
rasac asadma, cxadia, iaraRiT
upasuxa. scenari igivea _ dasavleTi protests gamoTqvams asadis `sisastikeze~. amaze msjeloben obama, merkeli, sarkozi
da sxvebi. magram jaris Seyvanaze Tavs ikaveben, radgan es gamoiwvevs mTeli axlo aRmosavleTis afeTqebas. amas mohyveba omi
israelTan da a.S. amitom dasavleTi cdilobs rogorme SedarebiT umtkineulod aiZulos asadi gadadges.
sainteresoa, rom sirias
mxars uWers irani. mogexsenebaT,
iranis didi nawili SiitebiT aris dasaxlebuli. siriaSi ki sunitebi sWarboben, Tumca xelisuflebis
saTaveSi Siitebi arian.
e.i. egvipte, tunisi, libia, siria, maTze dRes ZiriTadi aqcenti aris gadatanili, ris Semdegac, savaraudod, aSS-is nomer pirvel
mterze _ iranze daiwyeba
yuradRebis gamaxvileba.
irans damoukidebeli politika aqvs da cdilobs ganaviTaros birTvuli teqnologia, amitomac TvalSi
eCxireba aSS-is da sxva qveynebs. mis sawinaaRmdegod
wlebis ganmavlobaSi mimdinareobs propaganda, amitom ar SeiZleba msoflios gaukvirdes
erT mSvenier dRes israelma iranis kvleviTi obieqtebi rom dabombos. iranma rom upasuxos israels, am konfliqtSi aSS-ic iqneba CaTreuli, israels sxva saxelmwifoebic daexmarebian. upirveles yovlisa, nato da araa gamoricxuli, saqarTvelomac miiRos am kofliqtSi monawileoba.
_ roca garkveuli Zalebi
arabul qveynebSi areulobebis
provocirebiT arian dakavebuli,
kavkasia droebiT yuradRebis
garSe rCeba?
_ kavkasiis regioni yovelTvis aris aqtualuri. jer erTi
imitomac, rom igi axloa strategiul centrebTan. ase rom,
kavkasiis sakiTxis gaxuneba ar
momxdara.
aSS-ma roca saelCos mSenebloba daiwyo, erT-erTi yvelaze
didi administraciuli obieqti
saqarTveloSi aaSena. es saelCo
axlo aRmosavleTSi am regionSi
yvelaze didia Tavisi masStabebiT, datvirTviT da a.S. aravis
egonos, rom es tyuilad moxda.
aramc da aramc. esaa diplomatiuri centri. interesiT aris gamowveuli aSS-is mxardaWera saakaSvilisadmi da es ukanaskne-
_ es aris zRapari. damigde
yuri, Cemo kargo, Zalian mcdari
azria, TiTqos saakaSvili ruseTis kacia da amas avrceleben
specialurad. vin laparakobs
amaze? _ upirveles yovlisa, e.w.
opozicia, romelic Tavis gasamarTleblad da saakaSvilis gasaSaveblad acxadebs imas, rom
saakaSvili Caxutebulia rusebTan. amas ambobs xelisufleba _
rac Seexeba strategiul obieqtebs, sxva myidveli saqarTveloSi ar arsebobs da arc vinme
mova. arc amerikeli, arc Turqi
aq ar Camova mniSvnelovani obieqtebis sayidlad, Tanac, ruseTi
umdidresi qveyanaa, mas ucxoeTSi 34 miliardi dolari kapitaldabandeba aqvs.
aviRoT, magaliTad, eleqtroenergia, romelic ruseTma
iyida. iciT, ramdeni ujdeba ruseTis mxares misi stabiluri
regulireba? magram rac unda
Rirdes, mTavari isaa, rom uwyvet reJimSi mogvewodeba.
_ batono hamlet, Tqveni azriT, aSS-ii da dasavleTi arasdros gaswiravs saakaSvils kadafis msgavsad?
_ saakaSvils aSS-i arasdros
ar gaswiravs. amerikam SeiZleba
Sexeduleba Seicvalos mxolod
erT SemTxvevaSi _ sazogadoebam,
xalxma es myarad unda moiTxovos.
iciT Tu ara, rom Tveebis
ganmavlobaSi uWerda mxars aSSi egviptis prezidents? magram
rodesac dainaxes, rom mdgomareoba seriozul fazaSi gadavida da mosalodneli iyo prezidentis damxoba, maSinve xalxis
mxare daiWira?!
aseTi viTareba saqarTveloSi
arasdros Seqmnila.
sxva qveynebisgan gansxvavebiT, demokratiuli saburvelis
qveS movida xelisuflebaSi saakaSvili. romelic arafriT ar
wava. mudmivad rom iyos xelisuflebaSi, amisTvis yidulobs
sazogadoebas pirdapiri da gada-
lic loculobs amerikelebze.
saqme isaa, rom aSS-i versad
ipovis msgavs mokavSires, rogoricaa saakaSvili.
_ batono hamlet, Tqven yovelTvis ambobT, rom saakaSvili
amerikis pirdapiri mokavSirea.
arsebobs mosazreba, rom igi
ruseTis TamaSsac TamaSobs, zogi miiCnevs _ orive qveyanas
ugorebs koWso. bolos da bolos yvelaferi ruseTs mihyides...
taniT mniSvnelobiT. upirveles
yovlisa, yidulobs axalgazrdebs, aZlevs maT Tanamdebobebs.
ra unda qnas opoziciam? unda
amxilos, magram miSa dgams axal
nabijs da yidulobs opoziciasac. Semdegi nabiji sazogadoebis, anu inteligenciis mosyidvaa da akeTebs kidevac amas. ase
rom, samwuxarod, unda giTxraT,
mdgomareobis Secvlis perspeqtiva nulis tolia.
iranda kalandaZe
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
ukve gaZvirda mgzavroba, gaiyida wyali, dasufTavebis samsaxuri, baR
Rebi. yvelaferi kerZo
Sps-eebs gadaecemaT, meria ki pasuxismgeblobas ixsnis. gaZvirebiT ki gaaZvira, magram pasuxi
ukve mers ki ara, marSutkebis
SemTxvevaSi _ Sps `Tbilisis
mikroavtobuss~, baR
Rebis SemTxvevaSi _ saagentos da a.S. unda
mosTxovo. aba, meria raR
Ra saWiroa ikiTxavT?? _ ra saWiroa da
gasakeTebeli jer kidev bevria
mTeli qalaqqia gasayidi. am dros
ki sakrebuloSi Sekrebil, 39
nacionals 11 opozicioneri ver
ereva da maTi televiziiT Tu
presiT gakeTebuli gancxadebebi
da gulze mjiR
Ris cema udabnosa
Sina mR
RaR
Radeblis xmad rCeba.
magram Tqqven ar inerviulod,
Zvirfaso moqqalaqqeebo, gamosavali moZebnili aqqvs Turme opozicias _ erTi wlis mere 20112
wels civilurad, arCevnebis gziT unda gavistumroT xelisuflebao (!).
bolo gaZvireba da gasxviseba sabavSvo baRebs Seexo. sakrebulos Tavmjdomaris moadgile
jaba samuSiasTan saubari
swored am problemiT daviwyeT:
`saxelmwifom skolamdeli ganaTleba fasiani gaxada, anu
uari Tqva mosaxleobis socialur mxardaWeraze. dRes, saxelmwifo mxolod socialurad
daucvelebisTvis arsebobs, danarCeni 3 milioni adamiani am
qveynis moqalaqe ar aris Tu ra
xdeba? dauwereli kanonia, rom
saxelmwifo Tavadaa yvela socialuri fenis damcveli, baRebis
sakiTxTan mimarTebaSi ki saxelmwifo Tavad gamovida socialuri diferenciis momxre. sad gagonila, vakeSi baRi 80 lari
Rirdes da vazisubanSi _ 40,
anu vakel bavSvebs ukeTesad kvebaven Tu ras niSnavs es? baRebze pasuxismgebloba meriam Tavidan aicila da maTi marTva saagentos gadaabara. garda amisa,
Tu mSobeli Tanxas konkretuli
Tvis konkretul ricxvSi ar gadaixdis, bavSvi SeiZleba gamoricxon, faqtobrivad mSobeli
dakabalebulia. ugulavas warmarTuli winasaarCevno kampania
ca da dedamiwasaviT gansxvaveba
saerTo gazeTi
im politikisgan, rac man merad
mosvlis Semdeg ganaxorciela.
bolo erTi wlis manZilze yvela sakrebulos sxdomaze xdeba
erTi da igive. Zvirdeba esa Tu
is sfero. magram axla politika Secvales da es sakiTxi ukve
gansaxilveladac aRar moaqvT
sakrebuloSi. baRebi ise gaZvirda, ise Seiqmna absoluturad
axali saxelmwifoebrivi struqtura-saagento, rom sakrebuloSi am sakiTxze aravis umsjelia.
sakrebulom xalxis xma unda miitanos xelisuflebamde. igi koleqtiuri marTvis TvalsazrisiT yvelaze maRali organoa qalaqSi, Tumca mas aravin arafers
ekiTxeba~.
Cven baRebis, transportis
gaZvrebaze vwuwunebT, gviWirso
gaviZaxiT, magram rogorc irkve-
ra moxda marSutkebTan dakavSirebiT: dedaqalaqSi muSaobs
2300-ze meti samarSruto taqsi, TiToeuls daaxloebiT dReSi 400 mgzavri gadahyavs. erTi
mgzavroba saSualod 25 TeTriTaa gaZvirebuli, anu mosaxleobam erT TveSi damatebiT 10 lari gadaixada, rac niSnavs, rom
xelisuflebis xeldasmiT Seqmnilma xelovnurma monopoliam
Sps `Tbilisis mikroavtobusma~
mxolod erT TveSi Cveni moqlaqeebis jibeebidan momsaxurebis
xarisxisa da usafrTxoebis gaumjobesebis gareSe 10 milioni
lari miiRo. esaa swored elitaruli, piramiduli korufciis
nimuSi da nac.moZraobis mier
myarad aprobirebuli sakuTari
mosaxleobis Zarcvis sqema, qalaqis xelisuflebis danapirebi
xeSi gauSvebs maT. dRes
1.800 aTasi Rarib-Ratakia,
30 aTasamde meti patimari
gvyavs, ra gamodis, rom
kriminalebis da maTxovrebis qveyana varT? _ Cven
arc maTxovrebi varT da
arc kriminalebi. aseTi sazogadoeba mizanmimarTulad Seqmna saakaSvilma,
raTa daSinebiT da `foCiani~ kanfetebiT saarCevno
xmebis mobilizeba gauadvildes~.
Cveni respondentebis
saubridan aSkaraa, rom qveyanaSi sruli ganukiTxaobaa, meri Jandarmadaa qceuli, prezidenti ki mizanmimarTulad eris gamaTxovrebas uwyobs xels. jerjerobiT saxezea preten-
qalaqia Tu
sakoncentracio banaki?!
va, Cvenze metad Sinagan saqmeTa
saministros uWirs Turme da qalaqis meris mowyalebaze uars
ar ambobs.
viqtor doliZe, sakrebulos jandacvisa da socialur
sakiTxTa komisiis Tavmjdomare:
`kuriozia, magram faqtia, rom
Sss-s qalaqis mTavar sammarTvelos dedaqalaqis biujetidan
damatebiT gamoeyo 500 aTasi
lari, TiTqos ar yofnida manamde gamoyofili 2.6 milioni lari. sul dedaqalaqis biujetidan miiRo 3,1 milioni lari. kuriozi is gaxlavT, rom saqarTveloSi ar arsebobs municipaluri policiis instituti, ar
gvyavs arCeuli Serifebi. es sistema zecentralizebulia, xolo
dafinansebis wyarod TbilisSic
da sxva raionebSic adgilobrivi biujetebia gamoyenebuli. vano merabiSvils qalaqis biujetidan miaqvs milionebi, ra gauWirda aseTi, gana raSi ixarjeba
es fuli? _ es xom uzneoba, e.w.
korufciuli piramidaa. problema marto es rodia, mogaxsenebT,
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.net
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
ze
marSutkebSi socialuri SeRavaTebis Sesaxebac farsi gamodga,
radgan samarSuto taqsebis 80procentze metSi e.w. eleqtronuli mricxvelebi damontaJebuli ar aris. aRsaniSnavia, rom
bolo periodSi sakrebuloSi
erTi da igive xdeba _ 39-ma
wevrma icis, rom xeli unda aswios _ sxva araferi xdeba. kuluarulad sazogadoebis gverdis avliT biujetSi Semoapares
cvlileba, kerZod, saswrafo
daxmareba isev damoukideblad
mxarjavi struqtura xdeba. saxarjavad gadaecema 4,5 milioni
lari. sakrebuloSi warmodgenili ar aris programa am `kulturuli reformis~ arsis, miznebis da mosalodneli Sedegebis
Sesaxeb. ucnobia, raSi
daixarjeba 4,5 milioni
lari. ar aris gamoricxuli am procesma 03
fasiani gaxados. gvaxsovs, transportzec gvpirdebodnen ar gaZvirdebao, magram Sedegi sapirispiro iyo. Cndeba
kiTxva _ xom ar amzadeben 03-sac privatizebisTvis da amiT kidev erTxel xom ar Cauyofen
jibeSi xels Cvens moqalaqeebs?! aRarafers vambob imaze, rom am zamTars SimSili elodeba
glexobas _ ZaliT Seasyides, daaTesines maT
hibriduli simindi, Semdeg ar daexmarnen maT
Sxam-qimikatebiT, sarwyavi saSualebebiT, ver
gaixara simindma, programa faqtobrivad Cavarda. aqedan gamomdinare, aSkaraa,
rom xelisuflebam sakuTar
xalxze xeli aiRo. arsebobs
ori saqarTvelo _ erTi miSasi,
sadac fufunebaa da meore, sadac xalxs siRatakeSi sZvreba
suli. guria-samegrelos soflebi SemoviareT, sadac 3-dan 2
adamiani umuSevaria, 2012 weli
socialurad ufro mZime iqneba.
miCndeba eWvi, rom saakaSvils
unda Seqmnas saxelmwifo, sadac
meti Raribi iqneba, romelsac
igi 20 lars miscems, samagierod arCevnebze miiRebs maTgan
xmebs winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi ci-
ziebi da bunebrivia Cndeba kiTxva _ saakaSvili rom agviCemebia,
arc qalaqis meri aklebs xels
da mas pasuxi ar unda movTxovoT?
viqtor doliZe: `es xelisufleba arCevnebis gziT unda gavuSvaT. Cven ar vibrZviT
mxolod saakaSvilis gadadgomisTvis. ra Tqma unda, pasuxi
unda agos mTlianad misma gundma, ugulavam, maT Soris adeiSvilmac, romelic piradad debs
saproceso garigebebs, vin ramdeni unda gadaixados biujetSi.
amis dokumentebsac gamovamzeurebT. rac Seexeba ugulavas gadadgomis moTxovnas _ es mTavari araa. yvelafers erTi kaci
wyvets, ugulavas rasac CasZaxe-
ben, imas amosZaxebs. ugulavaze
ra vilaparako, roca dedaqalaqis biujetis 75 procenti federaluri biujetidan, anu miSas neba-surviliT ivseba~.
jaba samuSia: `sazogadoebis 45 procenti upasuxismgeblod moiqca, roca arCevnebis
dros saxlSi dajda da axla me
meubneba 11 kaci 39-s ratom ver
jobniTo. pretenziebi iseT xalxs aqvs, vinc guSin 1 tomara
fqvilze gayida xma. Secdoma unda gamoswordes. nac. moZraobis
mxardaWera cud tonad unda CaiTvalos. nebismier saxelmwifo-
Si msgavsi ram rom gaakeTos qalaqis merma, rasac ugulava mosaxleobas ukeTebs, sazogadoeba
ajanydeba. xalxi unda ajanydes.
_ Tqven ratom ar janydebiT,
sazogadoebis nawili ar xarT?
_ rogor ara, vujanydebiT.
_ rogor?
_ vwerT presaSi, gamovdivarT televiziiT da vsaubrobT
problemebze, Cumad xom ar
varT?
_ Cumad ar xarT, magram Tavad aRniSneT, ver vereviT 39
kacso. kargi, maSin is mainc
miTxariT, xalxis ajanyebaSi ras
gulisxmobT?
_ zustad erT weliwadSi
modis mTavari arCevnebi, xalxi
unda mivides da nac. moZraobas
mxari ar dauWiros.
_ amas eZaxiT ajanyebas, erT
weliwadSi xalxs SeiZleba
suli amoZvres, Tanac erT weliwads ras elodebiT, meris gadadgoma mainc moiTxoveT, Tavad
ar axseneT, bolo erTi. welia
sxdomebi sxvadasxva segmentis
gaZvirebiT iwyebao?
_ araferic ar iqneba, Tqven
ra ggoniaT adgilobrivi arCevnebidan ramdeni weli gavida _ erTi, uceb gava dro.
sityvierad SeiZleba gamovideT da moviTxovoT meris gadadgoma, magram samaTlebrivi berketi ar
gvaqvs. meria ar iTvaliswinebs sakrebulos azrs.
_ berketi ar gvaqvso
rodemde unda viZaxoT, amasobaSi ugulavam yvelaferi gayida, pasuxismgeblobasac ixsnis.
_ marTali brZandebiT.
roca dasufTavebis samsaxuri dens miabes, amiT meriam Tqva _ tyuilad vxarjavdi fuls am sferos
marTvaSio, man aRiara, rom
ar SeuZlia am sferos marTva. asevea, baRebzec. anu
meria Tavad aRiarebs Tavis
ususurobas. Cven gamovdivarT iniaciviT qalaqSi
axali mmarTvelobis Seqmnis. pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi,
ra Tqma unda, unda dadges. mTavaria, vTqvaT aRar vaZlevT xmas
gamZvirebel xelisuflebas, es
xelisufleba unda davasruloT
2012 wels.
_ 2012 wels isedac xom
ewurebaT vada, Tqven ra unda
daasruloT?
_ 2012 wels am xelisuflebis arseboba unda dasruldes
civilurad, yovelgvari revoluciis gareSe unda gavistumroT xelisufleba da moviyvanoT axali (!).
Tamar SveliZe
7
8 saerTo gazeTi
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
`vipim za buduSego prezidenta
gruzii gigi ugulava~
ugulavas mSrali biografiuli
statistika TiTqos arafris mTqmelia, magram dakvirvebuli adamianis
Tvals da gonebas, dameTanxmeT, rom
ar gamoepareba misi ierarqiuli aRmasvlis ukan mdgomi `viRac~ uCinari,
romelic marTalia CrdilSia, magram
drodadro, gigis Tavze mogrovil
Sav Rrublebsac umal fantavs da metic mis karierul `warmatebebsac~
aseve umal uzrunvelyofs.
da mainc, vin aris gigi ugulava
iseTi, saakaSvili misi qoCridan bewvsac rom ver agdebs miuxedavad mravali mizezebisa? TbilisSi, bevri ambobs, rom gigi ugulava aris kaci
arsaidan, magram saqmeSi ufro Rrmad
Caxeduli adamianebi amboben, rom igi
aris kaci `viRacisgan~ anu kacis kaci, romelic garkveuli direqtivebiT imarTeba da kaci, romelsac veravin fexebs ver moWams, maT Soris
prezidentadwodebuli mixeilico.
da mainc, vin aris TeTri pirsaxis, tanadSemcrobili, magram ambicia
momatebuli, briyvuli gamometyvelebis dRevandeli Tbilisis meri? samRvdeloebis warmomadgnlebs `SeCemas~ doneze rom eurTierTeba da eSmakTan Zmakacobs?
qarTulma sazogadoebam, axalgazrda ugulava pirispir da vizualurad
pirvelad telekompania `iberiidan~ naxa da gaicno, roca is Jurnalistis
ampluas ris vai-valaxiT arTmevda
Tavs. `iberiaSi~ ugulavas proteJe ki,
arc meti da arc naklebi misi bebia
gaxldaT, romelic arxis direqtorTan
mivida da uTxra: `germanuli enis garda araferi icis, yvelafris keTeba
ezareba da Zalian gTxovT, iqneb TqvenTan Tarjimnad mainc moawyoTo?~
arada, Jurnalistobamde ugulavas
universitetic damTavrebuli hqonda
da germaniis respublikaSic iyo staJiorad gamgzavrebuli universitetis leqtori mamis damsaxurebiT,
magram ratom ver gaagrZela muSaoba
profesiiT, ratom, aravin uwyis ojaxis wevrebis garda.
gigi ugulavam, roca miwaze ver
naxa Tavisi adgili, `zecas Seerkina~
da sasuliero seminariaSi koba subelianTan da mamuka axvledianTan erTad (es ori pirovneba mogvianebiT
moadgileebad gaixada) scada WeSmaritebasTan miaxloeba, magram miuxedavad
imisa, rom igi wlebis
ganmavlobaSi, patriarqis piradi stiqarosani iyo, Tavxedobis moTokva mainc ver
iswavla da ramdenime
wlis win erT-erTi
wirvis Semdeg patriarqTan miaxloebul
mandilosans
saxeSi
sTxliSa, aqaoda, mis
uwmindesobasTan
ase axlos misvla mxolod
Cven SegviZliao! am ambis Semdeg
(imitom,
rom
stiqarosani
ugulavas amazrzen qmedebas mravali
adamiani Seeswro) studenti gigi seminariidan
garicxes da swored amis Semdeg
moxda is, rom
ugulava telekompania `iberiaSi~ miiyvana
bebiam im imediT,
iqneb raRac iswavloso.
`iberiidanac~
wavida ugulava da Tan ise, rom didi veraferi iswavla... `WeSmariteba,
codna da rac mTavaria, sakuTari Tavis rwmena ki mxolod `Tavisuflebis
institutSi~ ipova da `enjeoSniki~
gigic mTeli sigrZe-siganiT warsdga
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.net
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
ze
saqarTvelos mosaxleobis winaSe,
rogorc pirveli `kmareli~ da rogorc marqsisti sorosis ideebis
gamtarebeli mebrZoli raindi, daWaobebuli reJimis dasamarcxeblad.
ras da rogor kadrulobdnen
`kmarelebi~ yvelas mogvexseneba, magram gansakuTrebul aRniSvnad Rirs
is, rom warsulSi lideri `kmarelebi~, igive ugulavas xelSewyobiTa da
xeldasmiT, dResac ZaluflebiT
tkbebian, iReben auareba grantebs,
aqvT maRali anazRaureba da `ufali
gigis~ gansadideblad Zalasa da
energias ar iSureben. Tanac xan erTi televiziiT gvmoZRvraven, xanac
meore-mesamidan!
miuxedavad imisa, rom gigi ugulava aranairi profesionalizmiTa da
gonebrivi unarebiT ar gamoirCeoda,
saakaSvilma igi samegrelo-svaneTis gubernatorobidan (sadac auareba sazizRrobebs sCadioda) maleve
Tbilisis merad daniSna
da agreTve umal merad daniSnuli ugulava `diadi miznebis~
gansaxorcieleblad im
gzas gauyena, saidanac
TviTon
saakaSvili
mogvevlina, anu `batoni gigi~ moskovs
gaagzavna `gamocdilebis~ misaRebad da ai,
aq ki, SesaZloa, saakaSvilma
didi
Secdoma dauSva... ratom?
ratom
da
imitom,
rom tanad da
saxiT Sesaxedi
ugulava, moskovuri politelitisaTvis SeumCneveli
ar
darCenila
da
Tanac imitom,
rom mis ukeT
warmoCinebaze
ruseTSi moRvawe erT-erTma
qarTvelma milionerma izruna, rac did miRebasa da pur-marilSi gamoixata! `vipim za buduSego
prezidenta gruzii~ _ SesTavaza
milionerma maspinZelma ruseTis gavlenian politikosebs ugulavas momavali prezidentobis sadRegrZelo da
darcxvenili, loyebRaJRaJa gigic
(maSin msuqani da dondlo Sesaxedaobis iyo) Tavdaxrili, magram bednieri ixdida madlobebs xan marjvniv
da xan _ marcxniv! amis Semdeg, ramdenime dReSi (daaxloebiT 7-8 dReSi), `buduSi prezidenti~ samSobloSi dabrunda da kudSi moiyola zurab wereTlis erT-erTi `Sedevri~,
wminda giorgisTan mebrZoli gveleSapis qandakeba, romelic, arc meti
da arc naklebi, Tavisi kabinetis mopirdapired, Tavisuflebis moedanze,
maSindeli meriis win daidga `kargi
da Rirebuli~ mogonebebis aRsaniSnavad! rogorc mixvdiT, gigi ugulavas
proteJe moskovur `svitTan~, moqandake, mxatvari da milioneri, agreTve uzarmazari gavlenebis mqone zurab wereTelia, romlis politikur
gavlenebzec, CvenSic da ucxoeTSic
ase bevrs saubroben! diax, swored
zurab wereTelma gamarTa didi nadimi gigi ugulavas moskovSi CabrZanebasTan dakavSirebiT da swored zurab wereTelma miipatiJa rusi da
qarTveli gavleniani pirebi Tavis
saxlSi `patara gigis~ ukeT gasacnobad! gamoxda xani da ugulava ganqorwinda pirvel meuRlesTan da colad
moiyvana saakaSvilis yofili piradi
vizaJisti lela kilaZe, romelic
ugulavamde 2-jer iyo gaTxovili.
pirveli meuRle baTumSi, Cems mezoblad, axmed melaSvilis #15-Si gazrdili, buba hyavda, xolo meore meuRle, mxolod erTxel myavs nanaxi,
maSin roca gazeT `qronikaSi~ dabeWdili skandalis Semdeg movarda da
Jurnalist darejan mefariSvils
mokvliT daemuqra.
arada, `qronikaSi~ Cemma axlobelma moitana da daibeWda is dokumentebi, romlidanac cxadad Canda,
rom yofili vizaJisti, aw ukve meriis kulturis samsaxuris `deda~ lela kilaZe, aTasobiT lars xarjavda
sakuTari kabinetis mowyobaze, dawyebuli `jakuziT~, damTavrebuli ZviradRirebuli avtomobiliT, romelic
misTvis ratomRac ekonomikis saministrom iyida da ara kulturis saministrom. mogvianebiT, saakaSvilis
vizaJisti-daqali kilaZe xelT ipyrobs yvela kulturuli RonisZiebebisaTvis gankuTvnil Tanxebs da erTpirovnulad iRebs gadawyvetilebas,
ama Tu im koncertze romeli momRerali miiRebda monawileobas da vis
ramdeni honorari ergeboda. Tuki adre kilaZis areali mxolod TbilisiT Semoifargleboda, ukve dRes
mTeli saqarTvelos masStabiT `ivenT
menejeris~ status-Tanamdebobas ikavebs da auareba Tanxebic, swored misi xelidan gaedineba.
faqtia, ugulava gigis SesaCereblad mis mier sabiujeto Tanxebis
aramiznobrivad xarjvas, dausabuTebeli finansebisa da Tavgasulobis
aRsakveTad saakaSvili TiTs TiTze
ar adebs da metic, roca Zalian cud
xasiaTzea (sarwmuno wyaroebze dayrdnobiT) Tavis daqalTan, gigis colTan _ lela kilaZesTan Woraobs da
boRmis mizezsac mxolod mas umxels.
saidan aseTi ndoba?
gasakviria da garkveuli isic,
rom gigis merad arCevas mTeli
`nac.moZraoba~ ki arada, e.w. `op. partiebic~ miesalmnen, xelic CamoarTves adgilobriv arCevnebSi gamarjvebul saxelisuflebo kandidats da
demokratiuli anturaJic Seuqmnes
qalaqis sakrebuloSi mravalpartiulobis TvalsazrisiT.
Tbilisis sakrebuloSi SesvlisTanave `respublikurma~ partiam dokumentebis mTebi daayena meriis mier
aramiznobrivad gaxarjuli miliono-
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
biT laris Sesaxeb, magram
`korufciasTan mebrZolma~
saakaSvil-merabiSvil-adeiSvilma, isev sibrmavis, siyruis da simunjis poza daiWires, anu zustad ise rogorc
cnobil qandakebaSia, sadac
sami maimuni Tvalebze, yurebze da pirze ifareben xels,
verafers vxedavT, araferi
gvesmis da arafers ar vambobTo. arada, gigi ugulava `sami maimunis~ amgvari dumiliT
gagulavebuli, didi celiT
celavs qalaqis isedac gaRatakebuli ojaxebis finansebs
da arc aravisi eSinia. ara,
gana imitom ar eSinia, rom
guladi da uSiSaria, aramed
imitom, rom `kacis kacia~ da
`saqarTvelos momavali prezidentia~, Tanac mavanTa
usafrTxo momavalis garantia (iseve, rogorc SevardnaZis SemTxvevaSi moxda saakaSvilis mxridan) da `didi centridanac~ mxadaWerili!
daviwyoT iqidan, rom e.w.
`yviTeli avtobusebis~, marSrutebis Sekveca-SemcirebiT,
Cven ubralo adamianebs axla
2 da ufro meti transporto gvWirdeba. amortizebuli, eqspluataciis vada gasuli yviTeli avtobusebis
Semomyvanma qalaqis meriam,
Tavis droze xom naxa sargebeli, magram arc amas dasjerda da 20 TeTridan jer
40 TeTri gaxada mgzavroba,
xolo mogvianebiT 50 TeTri!
samarSruto taqsebis biznesidan, elitaruli korufciis wyalobiT isedac Sedioda e.w. `wili~ meriaSi, magram ukve dRes meriis satransporto ganyofileba Tavad
lobirebs evropidan Semoyvanili `yviTeli marSrutkebis~ bizness da `vardebis
revoluciis~
`STagonebis
erT-erTi wyaros~ baTumel
Tengiz asaniZis vaJTan daTo
asaniZesTan erTad mgzavrobis
80 TeTris safasuris gazrdiT Turme nu ityviT da,
mxolod erT TveSi 13 milion laramde mogebasac naxulobs. gavrcelda informacia, rom nebismieri Tbiliseli sakuTar saxlSi dampali
fanjris gamosacvlelad unda qalaqis meriaSi mivides
da fanjris gamocvlis nebarTvaSic 50 lari unda gadaixados. winaaRmdeg SemTxveva-
saerTo gazeTi
Si (igulisxmeba TviTneboba),
10 000 lari jarimiT dajarimdeba da es fulic qalaqis biujetis sasargeblod
iqneba gadaxdili! meriis zedamxedvelobis samsaxurSi
ki, arc meti da arc naklebi,
ukve rigebi dgas, rom aRaraferi vTqvaT, damatebiT xarjebze, romelsac moqalaqe
meriamde misvlaSi xarjavs
yoveldRiurad.
yvela `sikeTesTan~ erTad
ukve aTasjer garemontebuli
da mainc Sardis suniT amyralebuli miwisqveSa gadasasvlelebisTvisac moicala axla ugulavam da vidre Tbilisis yvela ubanSi `fasadebis revolucias~ daamTavrebs, vidre samanqano sacobebis momravlebul raodenobas
Seamcirebs, aagebs axal estakadebs da imav wuTSi amortizirebulad aqcevs e.w. estakadebs da e.w. `marSutkebsac~ 1 laramde gaZvireba (amas sakrebulos deputatebi
winaswarmetyveleben), miwisqveSa gadasasvlelebSi sasuveniro da sakancelario, agreTve mravali funqciiT aRWurvil
maRazia-salonebs
500-dan 700-800 laramde
uZvirebs gadasaxads!
agreTve ugulavas gaugonar Tavxedobas Seewira Tbilisis mwvane safaric. jer
iyo da... rusTavelis gamziri
gaCexa, Semdeg aRmaSneblis
(warsulSi plexanovis) gamzirs miadga da pirwmindad
moaxerxa xeebi, Semdeg Cog-
burTis kortebis teritoria
mosra da (dRes iq grandiozuli mSeneblobaa gaCaRebuli) zooparkis xeobas, mdinare `vera~-sac ar daaklo
msaxvrali xeli, e.w. `estakadebs~ anacvala saukuneebis
win gazrdili mcenareebi da
axla Tbiliis sxva ubnebSic
daboginebs, imitom rom misi
patroni, ufro sworad ki
misi ganmkiTxavi saqarTveloSi ver moiZebna.
iqneb vinmem miTxras, varazisxevTan aSenebulma estakadebma, marTla gantvirTes
moZraoba gmirTa moedanze Tu
ara? rogorc cnobilia, es
proeqti 80 milioni dajda,
magram Sedegis mixedviT Rirda ki amdeni fulis da mwvane safaris ganadgureba? xom
yvela vxedavT, rom Tamar mefis saxelobis quCidan ukve
cirkamde manqanebis grZeli
rigi dgas `estkadaze~ asasv-
lelad? xom yvela kargad
vxedavT, rom meliqiSvilis
da kostavas quCebis kveTidan
gmirTa moednamde misvlas
imaze meti dro sWirdeba,
vidre es `estakadis~ agebamde iyo? xom yvelam viciT,
rom `gmirTa moednis~ gamwvaneba-gafantanebaze, auareba
Tanxebi damiwda `estakadamde~? maS, Tu sacobsac ver
gantvirTavs es ZviradRirebuli `estakada~, ra saWiroa
iyo igi? ra saWiro iyo da
gigim da misTanebma rom `igulaon~, aba? iseve, rogorc
Tbilisis quCebis `gaasfalteba-keTilmowyobaze~
keTilmoewyvnen ugulava da misi Tanakurseli megobrebi
subelian-axvledianebi, aseve
keTlmoewyvnen da `ipiares~
wlebis ganmavlobaSi dabrmavebulma saakaSvilma da misi
nac. moZraobis moRalateTa
gundma ariqa, qalaqs axal
sicocxles vSTavberavTo. aba
daTvaleT, ramdenjer daages
asfalti WavWavaZis, yazbegis,
aRmaSeneblis, rusTavelis da
Tbilisis uarmav quCaze? ramdenjer ayares da daages qvafenili trotuarebsa Tu
sxvadasxva aRmarT-daRmarTebze? warsulSi, anu komunistur epoqaSi, asfalts xumrobiT `Sav xizilalas~,
`Cornaia ikras~ uwodebdnen
da amaSi igulisxmeboda is,
rom am saqmeSi Zalian didi
fuli iSoveboda! diax, `Cor-
naia ikras~ da mopirkeTebiT
samuSaoebs arc dRes daukagavs aqtualoba piradi Semosavlis gazrdis kuTxiT da
viTom xalxisTvis dagebul
asfaltSi, dargul yvavilebSi, `gakraskul~ fasadebSi
uzarmazar mogebas naxulobs
rogorc ugulava, aseve misi
xelSewyobiT tenderebSi `gamarjvebuli~ saeWvo firmebis
mesveurebic.
Zvirfaso mkiTxvelo, sxva
uamrav `sikeTesTan~ erTad
2008 wlis agvistos droindeli omis mTavarsardloba
Tu gaxsovT? Tu gaxsovT da,
albaT, damemowmebiT imaSi,
rom q. Tbilisis meriaca da
TviT meris ugulavas aparatic am omi gaurkveveli funqciebis Semsruleblebad mogvevlinen da axla ukve, samxedro funqciebis matarebel
sardlebad warmogvidgnen. gaxsovT? `rusTavi~-2-isa da `im-
edis~ eTerSi kamuflirebul
samxedro formaSi gapranWuli, ruqaze miSterebuli da
TavCaxrili ugulava rusebze
`Setevis~ win? anda televiziebi rad minda, gana iq ar viyavi, gakrialebuli, davarcxnil-dabanili da lobeRaJRaRa
gigilo `frontiswina~ xazidan rom brundeboda? vin aris
es `niWieri~, omSic da mSvidobaSic `moTxovnadi kadri~
rom gaxda da sul ramdenime
wlis win ki bebiamisis sityvebiT: `germanuli enis garda
araferi icoda~?
me Tu mkiTxavT, vin aris
da Tofiani yaCaRi, utifari
da Tavxedi mmarTveli, romlis gasabawrad Toki ver
moiZebna saqarTveloSi! me-
gazeTi `praim taimi~ misi
meuRlis lela kilaZis dis
gankargulebaSia, telekompania `imedi~ arvelaZesTan kargi urTierTobebis gaTvaliswinebiT maSin gaapiarebs,
roca gaexardeba, erTi-ori
megobari Jurnalistic daexmareba da mere naxeT cirkimasxara giorgi ugulava, saprezidento maraTonSi rom
Caebmeba qarTvelebo. jer sada xarT, mTavari sanaxaoba
win gvelodeba, jer saparlamento, xolo mogvianebiT
saprezidento arCevnebisas.
hoda, es `arCevnebi~ am
Semodgomaze, vadaze adre
unda Catardes, radgan `saarCevno garemoc~ gaumjobesebulia da e.w. politikur
opoziciac, davarcxnil-Cabanili elodeba am dRes! unda
swrafad Catardes imitomac,
rom rogorc `forumeli~
gubaz sanikiZis samZimris
sityvebidan Cans, Tbilisis
meri ugulava, nac. moZraobas daCagruli da Seiwrovebul hyavs da Tanac, Tuki
moskovSi batoni gigis prezidentoba ukve winaswaraa
SeTanxmebli, momaval prezidentTan opoziciad wodebuli politikosTa naxiri urTierTobebs xom ar gaifuWeben? hoda, amitomac swuxan
mavanni ugulavas daCagvraze
da adgilobriv arCevnebSi
imitomac damwkrivdnen mimlocavTa rigebSi didian patarianad.
amasobaSi ki, saqarTvelos
dedaqalaqi Tbilisis did sakoncentracio banakad aqcia
qalaqis `arCeulma~ merma.
sul cota da gadasaxadebSemcvel mxuTav airsac gauSveben Cvens sabolood gasanadgureblad, bolomde dagvaxrCoben da Tu 3 dReSi, Cvenma
Wirisuflebma
usaxsrobis
gamo miwas ver migvabares,
movlen qalaqis Sesabamisi
samsaxurebis TanamSromlebi
da dagvwvaven, imitom, rom
axali kanonproeqtis mixedviT, micvalebuli romelsac
Wirisufali 3 dRis ganmavlobaSi ar dakrZalavs, kremacias eqvemdebareba da Tan
Wirisufalma jarimac unda
gadaixados, kanonis ugulebelyofis gamo.
`kmara~ gigi, marTlac
`kmara~ Cveni sisxlis wova!
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.net
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
ze
tic, axla axali `simaRleebis dasapyrobad~ Turme nu
ityviT da... politikuri
partiis Seqmnac ganuzraxavs da kargad rom daakvirdeT, winasaprezidento
marTonic karga xnis dawyebuli aqvs.
Tqveni adgili `paraSasTan~ aris, batonebo da neba miboZeT, es fraza Tqveni patronebis enaze giTxraT: `vam ne kaJetsia gospoda, Cto vaSo mesto u paraSi?~
irine gogosaSvili
9
10 saerTo gazeTi
aris aseTi mwerali _ Wola
lomTaTiZe, lirikuli prozis
ostati, umZimesi bedi ergo, cixe, katorRa, dasaxvretTa sakanSi ijda... amden wvalebas ver
gauZlo, mZime seniT daavadda,
gadasaxlebaSi gardaicvala. saintereso fsiqologiuri moTxrobebi, miniaturebi, Canawerebi
datova. dRes vinme literaturaTmcodnes Tu gaaxsendeba,
isic iSviaTad.
Wola lomTaTiZes aqvs `ubis wignakSi~ aseTi sagulisxmo
Canaweri. qarTveli kaci dgas
uflis winaSe.
_ Seni saxeli? _ esmis
kiTxva.
_ qarTveli.
_ wlovaneba?
_ ori aTasi wlis var.
_ ras akeTebdi amden xans?
_ Tavs vicavdi.
_ exla ras akeTeb?
_ axlac Tavs vicav!
aris pasuxi.
... es Canaweri me momwons.
es mwerlis pasuxia da, SeiZleba iTqvas, imdroindeli saqarTvelos pasuxic. Semodaveba
SeiZleba, sakamaTo, cota pompezuri pasuxi xom ar aris? ki,
batono, iyos tanjuli mwerlis
pasuxi.
... xeTur wyaroebSi moxseniebulia erT-erTi uZvelesi qveyana axiava (Zv.w. XV-XIV).
dRes mecnierebas ver gaurkvevia, sad mdebareobda axiavas
samefo: nodisze, kviprosze,
kretaze Tu mcire aziaSi...
gaqra, aRigava pirisagan miwisa...
axla sxva droa, ocdameerTe
saukune... vaWroba ar gvemuqreba!
qarTvelebi sad vcxovrobdiT, vin da ramdeni viyaviT,
sxva Tu araferi, kosmosidan
iqneba Rer-Rerad daTvlili.
amiT imisi Tqma minda, didi gamorkveva da aRmoCena ar dagvWirdeba.
am azrs adre SefarviT, alegoriulad ambobda mwerali.
axla am sityvebis gamo arc
jurRmuli gvelodeba da arc
yulfi.
samagierod, sxva rame gvelodeba _ gadaSeneba!
milion-naxevari qarTveli
emigraciaSia.
rom Camovidnen, ra akeTon,
SimSiliT aq rom gawydnen, isev
iq iyvnen, erCivnoT.
rogorc telekompania `maestro~ gvarwmunebs, saqarTvelo
350 aTasi narkomani hyavs. ra
xerxemali uZlebs amas?
SegvrCeba saerTod xerxemali?!
qarTuli ena kvdeba...
qarTuli kino mokvda...
qarTuli Teatri suls Rafavs...
suli kvdeba qarTuli.
tragedia is aris, am yvelafers vxedavT, TiTqos ganvicdiT, saubriTac vsaubrobT, magram arafers vakeTebT... brZola
da Tavdadeba ki ara, Tavis Sewuxebac ar gvinda!
... Cven ra, qarTvelebi ara
varT, jerjerobiT mainc... wagebul oms gamarjvebulad vacxadebT da patar-patara Secdomebs, Tu gnebavT, wuxilsac movuZebniT mizezsa da gamarTlebas.
vTqvaT, vityvi: me politikosi ara var da morCa!
ufro gamanadgurebeli frazac maqvs: politika binZuri
saqmea!
politikosi rom araa, amis
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
gamo lamis aqeT gdebs brals...
erTi sityviT, alibi aqvs
iseTi, Zvras ver uzam!...
samagierod, sxva ra ginda
hkiTxe, mzad aris yvela xeloba da saqmianoba daibralos.
marTlmadidebelia, pirjvris
garSe eklesias ar Cauvlis. mamuliSvilia, mamulis sadRegrZelos fexze udgas. ojaxis er-
mixeil javaxiSvilsac hqonda araerTi Sansi Tavi gadaerCina...
paolo iaSvili, upirvelesad, Rirsebis kaci iyo. roca
bolSevikebi Semovidnen `wiTeli xididan~ miegeba orjonikiZes, iqneb naklebi sisxli daiRvaros Cems samSobloSio! roca
mixvda Tavis Secdomas, sakuTa-
mTavari. mTavaria, orive meomariviT rom mokvda. amisi Tqma
minda.
es aramarto mwerluri simtkicea, misi erTguleba, aramed
mwerluri moralic.
dRes mwerloba saerTod ara
Cans.
mwerlis xelobaa rogorc
umZimesi, ise umaduri saqme rom
iyo, vicodi. arc fizikuri da
arc sulieri SimSili yofila
mwerlisTvis
ucxo,
magram
mwerloba saZraxisi saqme Tu
iyo, vTqvaT, korufciasaviT,
RmerTmani, ar vicodi.
yvelaze metad oTxmociani
wlebis mweralTa Taoba Seewira am ocwlian ganukiTxaobas.
yvela ubedurebam maT mouswro.
gamorCenil (dakargul) Taobad
Seva litanalebSi... mwerloba
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wlevandeli 26 maisis tragikul Rames SegaxsenebT.
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Cemze.
me, piradad, 26 maiss gaverkvie, qarTvel eqimebs hipokratesTan ki ara aqvT fici dadebuli, saakaSvilTan da merabiSvilTan aqvT pirdapiri garigeba
saqarTveloo, lamazo...
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quCac icis da arc qvelmoqmedeba eSleba... am diliT mezoblis
obol bavSvs nayini uyida...
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saqmea da am binZur saqmeSi Tavs
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Zmao! brma Tu ara xar da smena
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yvelafers, ra tragikuli saxeebiT aris gadaZeZgili quCa, avtobusi, qalaqi, Tu am xalxis
nawili xar, politikaSic xar
Careuli. am binZur saqmeSi (politikaSi), Tavad uneburad ereodnen eris Rirseuli mamebi...
politikaSi Carevam ki ara, qarTulma zneobam da rwmenam aTq-
ri sisxliT gamoisyida danaSauli.
robaqiZem gaqcviT uSvela Tavs.
ramdenad uSvela Tavs, sxva sakiTxia.
saxalxo mwerlis wodeba komunistebis drosac
ar arsebula.
am
statusis
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boZebuli, vTqvaT,
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axlaxan
gardacvlili
otia
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saxalxo
iyo. mis Semoqmedebas cudad
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Cemi mweralia-meTqi, magram
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didi xnis megobari da axlobe-
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zaur kalandia
saerTo gazeTi 11
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
sityva genocidi ama Tu im
tomis, gvaris eTnikuri da religiuri motiviT ganadgurebas niSnavs. saqarTveloSi Seqmnili ekonomikuri, demografiuli, marTlmadidebelTa Seviwroveba- devnis
viTarebidan gamomdinare, sul ufro da ufro meti adamiani, sxvadasxva dargis specialisti, midis
im daskvnamde, rom saqarTveloSi
qarTvelTa mizanmimarTuli genocidi mimdinareobs.
ganadgurebuli soflis meurneobis pirobebSi, saakaSvilis
iniciativiT, genmodificirebuli
amerikuli simindisa da xorblis
iZulebiT daTesvac genocidia.
aseTi xorbliT daTesili miwa
mousavliani xdeba. mosavali sicocxlisTvis saSiSi. umiwo qarTveli ki SiSilisTvis ganwirulia da es saakaSvilis dasavlelma batonebma kargad ician! qarTvelTa genocids emsaxureba “natos misiebSi” sazrbazne xorcad
umuSevari axlgazrdebis gagzavnac. amis winapiroba saakov-ssaakianis reJimma e.w. “ganaTlebis reformiT” Seqmna. reformis SedegebiT umaRless gareT darCenili
axalgazrdebi, ojaxebis sarCenad,
iZulebulni xdebian amerikelebze
aTjer nakleb sakontraqto xelfasebze muSaobas dasTanxmdenen.
ramdeni qarTveli daiRupa ukve?
saakaSvili ki maT ricxvs sul
uro d ufro zrdis.
qarTveli eris klasikuri genocidia inglisuri enis iZulebiTi Semotana. mSobliuri ena erisa da eTnosis arsebobis iseTive
aucilebeli pirobaa, rgogorc misi tradiciuli sarwmunoebisa da
adaT-w
wesebis. yvela dampryrobi,
erisa da eTnosis identurobis
saboloo ganadgurebis mizniT,
pirvel rigSi, mSobliuri enis
ganadgurebas iwyebs. xelisuflebis davalebiT, pirvelive klasidan inglisuris savaldebulod
Setana, aRaraferi rom vTqvaT viTom inglisuri enis gaurkveveli
zneobis, moralisa da specialobebis “pedagogebis” Camoyvanaze_
eris pirdapiri genocidia. inglisuris Sesawavlis motiviT ganxorcilelebul “aswavle-iiswavles” progaramis fonze, daixura
rusuli skolebi da seqtorebi.
rusuli enis amoReba, separatistuli regionebis, afxazeTsa da
samaCablos mosaxleobis, iqauri
teritoriebis dabrunebasac uSlis xels.
genocidia religiuri niSniT,
marTlmadidebelebis faruli devnac. saukuneebiT marTlmadideblur saqarTveloSi, marTlmadidebluri religiis dacvisa da gaukuRmarTebuli seqsualuri orientaciis gaprotestebisTvis rva
udanaSaulo adamianis cixeSi( viTom sxva sarCuliT) gamomwyvdeva.
arc erT civilizebul saxelmwifoSi, im qveynis konstituciiT
aRiarebuli religiuri umravlesobis mimdevrebi, religiuri niSniT ar daupatimrebiaT. aris Tu
ara es xazagasmulad religiuri
niSniT devna, anu genocidi? ekelsiasa da sazogadoebisTvis erTnairad miuRebeli, religiaTa gaTanabrebis kanonic, TviTneburad miReba, rodesac arRvev konkordatsac da konstituciac. swored
marTlmadideblobis sazianod, anu
aviwroveb mis istoriul uflebebs.
ideologiuri genocidi ganxorcielda ganaTlebis sistemaSic. korufciasTan brZolis sababiT, e.w. “komunisturi ganaTlebis
sistemasTan” brZoliT, faqtiurad nulze davida ganaTlebis xarisxi. moswavleebs dauaxinjes
saqarTvelos istoriis kursi da
“vardebis revoluciiis” ideologiiT, “axal istorias uqmnian”.
ilia WavaWavaZe werda: “rogorc
kacad ar ixsenieba is mawanwala,
genocidi anu vis
surs saqarTveloSi
qarTvelebis gadaSeneba?
romelsac aRar axsovs _ vin
aris, saidam modis da sad midis,
isec erad saxsenebelic ar aris
igi, romelsac Tavisi istoria ar
axsovs... amisTana xalxi ubinao
kacsa hgavs, ar icis vin aris da
risTvis aris... amitomac eseTi
xalxi bevrad ar gamoirCeva pirutyvTagan da iqneba bevrSi ukanac CamorCeba.” (wm. ilia marTali.)
eri ki, romelic Tavis istorias iviwyebs, ikargeba da qreba.
aris es qarTvelTa genocidi?
dawyebiT klasebSi sazogadobis
didi protestisa da aRSfoTebis
darguli xeebi gaxarebs, mosaxleobas nacionalebis ojaxebisa da
maTi colebis jipebis gamonabolqviT dabinZurebul qalaqSi mouwevs cxovreba.
xelisuflebam qarTvels genocidi soflis meurneobis dargis
mokvliTac mouwyo. glexobisTvis
soflis meurneobis produqtis
moyvanis mospobiT, gza dasavleTidan Semosul ucxour produqts gauxsna. `mkvdari qarTuli
sofeli”, saqarTvelos sikvdilis
dasawyisisa.
genocidis tipiuri magaliTi
iyo agvistoSi provocirebuli
bis xeliT, amierkavkasiaze batonobis survilic amoikiTxa. es yvelaferi ki, qarTuli taZrebisa
da miwebis miTvisebis armenebis
didi xnis survili, mezobeli
somxebis ineteresebis gatarebis
xarjze. saukuneebis ganmavlobaSi,
am mezobel saxelmwifoebs Soris
(saqarTvelo-ssomxeTi) teritoriul da saekelesio qonebaze davas,
istoriuli winapiroba gaaCnia.
qarTveli eriTvis esoden saTayvanebeli sarwmunoebis ase xelaRebiT xelyofas, xalxisa da eklesiis zurgs ukan Semdgar mzakvrul garigebas, mzolod erTi mi-
Semdeg, (albaT droebiT) SeCerebul iqna e.w “seqsologiis” swavlebis skolebSi Setana, romelic
mxolod mozardi Taobis garyvnasa da gaukuRmarTebas emsaxureba.
faqtiuri propaganda mimdinareobs tradiciuli ojaxis institutisa da Sobadodbis dagegmarebis kuTxiTac. (bevri qarTveli
saakov-ssaakians saqarTveloSi ar
sWirdeba) rom ara saqarTvelos
kaTalikos-ppatriarqis mesame da
meti Svilis monaTvlis iniciativa, qarTuli eTnosis mosaxleoba
demografiuli katastrofis winaSe aRmoCndeboda. ar aris es genocidi? aTeisturi sabWoTa epoqis Semdeg, skolebSi Zlivs Seqmnili salocavi kuTxeebi “natos”
kuTxeebma Secvala. sCans “natos”
codna mozardebSi, `qarTuli sulisa da rwmenis siyvarulis” meti magaliTis momcemi iqneba?! cixeebSi patimrebs jvrebis tarebasa da xatebis qonas ukrZalaven.
penintencialur sistemaSi patimrebiTvis CamorTmeuli aTasobiT
xati da jvari, nagavsayrelebze
iqna gayrili. aRSfoTebisa da
udidesi yuradRebis Rirsia ekologiuri kuiTxiT ganxorcielebuli genocidi. erovnuli simdidreebis- tyeebis gayidva- gaCexviT,
xelisuflebam saqarTvelo ekologiuri katastrofebisa, mewyerebis, wyaldidobebisa da Ravrcofebis msxverplad aqcia. mosaxleoba ulukmapurod, usaxlkarod
darCa. saprezidento kompaniisTvis gakeTebuli ugulavas gancxadeba, rom Tbilisis irgvliv mTebze mwvane safari gaaSena, viTarebas ar cvlis. samSeneblo biznesSi myofma imave ugulavam, Tavisi
materialuri daintereebiT, aTasobiT ormocdaaT wliani xe moaWrevin- moaCexina. sanam dRes
omi, romelmac xelisuflebas saaqarTvelos xalxisa da qarTvelebis genocidis SesaZlebloba
misca. genocidis xelsayrel formad, xelisufleba eTnikuri SuRlis gaRvivebis meTodsac iyenebs.
pirvelad es, oqruaSvilis xelisuflebaSi yofnisas, ergneTis
bazrobis gadaketviT daiwyo. mizani ki, dasavleTSi dawerili
gegmis mixedviT, qarTvelebsa da
osebs Soris, Zlivs dalagebuli
urTierTobebis xelaxali gamwvaveba iyo. igive moxda kodoris
xeobasTan mimarTebaSic, rodesac
viTom “konstituciuri wesrigis”
dasamyareblad, isev oqruaSvilis
xelmZRvanelobiT, kodori ganaiaraRes da “zemo afxazeTi” daarqves. amiT dairRva ruseT-ssaqarTvelos Soris dadebuli xelSekrulebac_ kodoris xeobaSi saxelisuflebo formirebebis Seusvlelobis Taobaze. Rac ruseTma Semdgom kargad gamoiyena. orive SemTxvevaSi, maTi daxocviT, qarTvelTa genocidi ganxorcielda.
“saboloo akorodi” 2008 wels
“mZinare cxinvalSi” SeWra da
provocirebuli omi aRmoCnda. saosur
dac osur, Sereul qarTul-o
ojaxebTan erTad, saakov-ssaakianma,
isev qarTveli xalxis genocidi
moawyo. eTnikur dapirispirebis
gaRvivebis tipiuri magaliTia sapatriarqosa da xelisuflebas
Soris. saswrafod daCumad miRebuli cnobili kanonic, romlis
miRmac, mosaxleobam da mrevlma
somxuri eklesiisTvis gansakuTrebuli-ssapatriarqo statusis
miniWeba amoikiTxa. amis garda,
sanfranciskoeli da ruseTis somxuri lobiT maxrdaWerili “nacionalebis xelisuflebis” am gadawyvetilebaSi, qarTulma sazogadeobam, amerikis mxridan somxe-
zani SeiZleba hqondes. eTnikuri
dapirispirebis gaRviveba da Cerqezebis genocidis aRiarebis msagavsad, ruseTis sawinaaRmdegod,
kavkasiaSi axali omis gaCaReba.
miTufro, rogorc amboben, azerbaijan-ssomxeTis omic karzea momdgari.
kavkasiaSi batonobis mosapoveblad, dRes ori supesaxelmwifo, ruseTi da amerika “Widaobs”.
kavkasiaSi saqarTvelos istoriulad dominanti rolic, amerikis
daxmarebiT nacionalebma, somxeTs
gadaabares. am kuTxiT saqarTve-
gamoiwvevs. mere naxeT Tqven gei
aRlumebi, ieRovelebi da lesboselebi?! swored amis gamoa, rom
proamerikel saqarTvelos prezidents, samomavlod, dedaqalqis
quTaisSi gadatana ganuzraxavs.
rac mxolod saakaSvilis axireba
ar gaxlavT_ amaSi swored Tbilisis sasomxeTisTvis daTmoba da
Semdgom maTi xeliT, kavkasiaSi
amerikis proteqtotatis Semoyvana Zevs. saqarTvelom, “didi armeniis” amerikis somxuri lobis
axirebis gamo, kavkasiaSi wamyvani
roli ratom unda dakargos?
yvelaze aRmaSfoTebeli da miuRebeli, xelisuflebis mxridan
ganxorcielebuli, qarTuli eTnosisi sulieri da zneobrivi genocidia. dasavluri da liberaluri
Rirebulebebis saxeliT, dasavleTidan dafinansebuli garantebiT,
xelisufleba sazogadoebisa da
axalgazrdobis mizanmimarTul zneobriv da sulier garyvans eweva.
eris momavlis zneobrivi da sulieri genocidi, misi saboloo gaqrobis xerixia. gaunaTlebel da
sulierad gaxrwnil axlgazrdobas momavali rom ara aqvs. ase eri
rom gadaSendeba, es kargad esmis
globalistur Zalebsac da im dasavleTsac, romelic demokratiis
saxeliT, swored qrisianul faseulobebs upirispirdeba. marTlmadidebluri ruseTic da saqarTveloc, yvela omSi gamarjvebuli gamodioda, Tu is qristesmier gzas
misdevda. “perestroikebiTa” da
“glasnostebiT”, rac globalistebsa da mondealistebs ahyva, ruseTic daSlis safrTxis wina aRmoCnda da saqarTveloc. Tu ruseTs gadarCena surs, es mxolod
marTlmadidebluri saqarTvelos
interesebis dacviTaa SesaZlebeli.
xelisuflebebi icvleba. rus da
qarTvel xalxebs ki, erTmaneTTan
gasayofi araferi aqvT. didma rusma wmindanma- serafim sarovelma,
romelic aseve qarTvelTa saTayvanebeli wmindanicaa, ruseTs daubara:” saqarTvelos xels nu axlebT,
is RvTismSoblis wilxvderi qveyanaao”. es exeba yvela jurisa da
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sfuZvels mouSlis. sanfranciskos somxuri lobi, amerikulze
Zlieria da Sesabamisad, ideologiur-ppolitikur gavlenasac amerikuli somxoba da amerika moipovebs saqarTveloze. dRevandeli
proamerikul-pprosomxuri xelisiflebis mier, erTiani kavkasiis
Temis wamoweva kavkasiaze amrikis
gavlenis movebas emsaxureba. rac
TavisTavad, kavkasiaze amerikis
gavlenis avtomatur gaZlierebas
eTnosis xalxebsac. rusi eri amas
xvdeba da xedavs. misma mmarTvelma
elitamac unda gaiazros es, Tu is
marTlac marTlmadidebeli ruseTis xelisuflebaa. antiqtistianulma globalisturma procesebma
ruseTic iseve SeiZleba gadaylapos da gaanadguros, rogorc masze bevrad mcire qristianuli saxelmwifoebi.
es xelisufleba yvelafers
akeTebs, raTa qarTveli eri gawydes da gadaSendes. “visTvis” da
risTvis sCadis amas. vis unTavisufleben qarTvelTagan miwawyals, amas qarTveli xalxi ukve
kargad xedavs!
baia amaSukeli
12 saerTo gazeTi
gvesaubreba „winaaRmdegobis
moZraobis“ Tavmjdomare daviT
Tarxan-mouravi.
–batono daviT, mkvdari politikuri sezoni ar gamovida,
radgan sakmaod „cxeli zafxu li“ mogviwyo xelisuflebam Tavisi gadawyvetilebebiT, rogor
SeafasebdiT im yvelafers, rac
bolo TveebSi xdeboda?
–Tu daviwyebT 26 maisidan,
ra SeiZleba vTqvaT, am xelisuflebam Caatara sadamsjelo, samxedro operacia sakuTari mosaxleobis
winaaRmdeg.
xalxi
umowyalod scema, aris msxverpli, Cemi megobari nika kvintraZe
mokles. xelisuflebam gvaCvena,
rom mas hyavs kargad gawvrTnili jari, romelic mzad aris nebismieri raodenobis xalxi cemos da moklas. saubari imis Taobaze, rom iq iyvnen ruseTis
agentebi, saerTod araseriozulia, iq xuTasi kaci mainc iyo
da sruliad naTelia, rom xuTasive
veranairad ver iqneboda
ruseTis agenti. SeiZleba iq viRac iyo kidec agenti, magram is
xuTasi kaci namdvilad ara. meore momenti isaa, rom araviTari
mniSvneloba ar aqvs, iq agentebi
iyvnen Tu ar iyvnen, imitom, rom
Tu agentebi arian, isini unda
gamoavlino, daapatimro da ara
scemo an mokla. Tqven iciT, rom
amis Taobaze gvqonda Cven Sexvedrebi evroparlamentSi. 20 ivniss briuselSi iyo Sexvedra,
sadac gaerTianebuli evropis xelisufleba xvdeboda saqarTvelos xelisuflebas da 26 maisis
sakiTxi ganixileboda. es iyo daxuruli Sexvedra, magram Cven
gvqonda saSualeba mTavari momxsenebeli voicex visocki gamogveyvana Sexvedridan Sesvenebaze
da yvela masala gadagveca misTvis. amis Semdeg is kvlav Sebrunda im Sexvedraze da rogorc
mere ganacxada, wiTeli baraTi
avunTeTo saqarTvelos xelisuflebas. marTalia, me ar mesmis
wiTeli baraTi ras niSnavs, imitom, rom rodesac wiTel baraTs
fexburTelebs uCveneben, maT agdeben kidec moednidan, es xelisufleba ki jer gagdebuli ver
vnaxe, magram nebismier SemTxvevaSi is, rom 26 maisi iyo danaSauli, es evropelebsac esmiT da
Cvens sazogadoebasac. Tumca am
xelisuflebas yvelaferi fexebze hkidia, rasac unda imas sCadis. agreTve, Tu visaubrebT imaze, agvistoSi ra movlenebic
moxda, es aris Cveulebrivi gagrZeleba, movlenaTa jaWvi amaTi
danaSaulebebis. es xelisufleba rva wlis ganmavlobaSi erTi
da igive rames akeTebs, anu mizanmimarTulad ebrZvis qarTvel
kacs, ebrZvis mis azrovnebas, mis
mentalobas, mrwamss da absoluturad yvelafers, rac ki qarTvelma kacma Seqmna mravali aTa-
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
saqarTveloSi dRes aparteidia _
`TeTrkaniani~ xelisufleba mosaxleobas
Savkaniani monebiviT eqceva...
si wlis ganmavlobaSi. am xelisuflebis mizania, rom qarTvelma kacma daiviwyos Tavisi erovneba, adaT-wesi, daiviwyos Tavisi
sqesic da gaxdes raRac urwmuno, ujiSo, uerovnebo, usqeso,
gaugebari warmonaqmni. amisTvis
iRvwian ase aqtiurad. am movlenaTa rigSia yvela problema, romelic eklesiasTan an TeatrTanaa dakavSirebuli. Tumca unda
giTxraT, rom Cven veraviTar
SemTxvevaSi ver mivesalmebiT
wminda sinodis wevri zogierTi
meufis moqmedebebs. am SemTxvevaSi mxolod Cemi saxeliT ar vsaubrob, qarTveli xalxi brma ar
aris da arc is ar afasebs dadebiTad sinodis im oci meufis
moqmedebas.
-f
faqtia, rom xelisuflebas
seriozuli dausjelobis sind romi Camouyalibda, sadamde SeiZ leba mividnen?
–me vTqvi, amaTi mizani rac
aris. eseni bolomde unda mividnen, imitom, rom amaTi amocanaa
Sen adamiani ki aRar iyo, aramed
mona. es xelisufleba saqarTve-
loSi qmnis aparteits, romelic,
gaxsovT, albaT, rom samxreT afrikis respublikaSi iyo. eseni
Tvlian, rom TviTon arian is
TeTrkanianebi, romlebic samxreT
afrikis respublikaSi iyvnen, xolo Cven, qarTveli xalxi varT
uuflebo Savkanianebi, Sesabamisad monebi da cdiloben, rom daimonon es xalxi. ai, aqeTken midian swored.
Cven amas aucileblad unda
aRvudgeT win da vebrZoloT. gasagebia, rom evropuli moqmede-
bis efeqturoba maRali araa,
magram is mainc aris, patara
efeqti mainc aqvs da aucilebelia am mimarTulebiT svla. Cveni moZraoba xedavs brZolis sam
gzas da aucileblad samive unda iqnas gamoyenebuli. pirveli
gza, es aris saprotesto aqciebi. aucileblad unda gagrZeldes saprotesto aqciebi da am
aqciebma unda miiRos permanentuli xasiaTi. am SemTxvevaSi,
permanentuli sulac ar niSnavs
uwyvets, es niSnavs aqciebs,
romlebic meordeba garkveuli
sixSiriT.
kviraSi erTi dRe,
Tundac SabaTi unda iqnas SerCeuli da yovel SabaTs unda
movawyoT aseTi saprotesto aqciebi. magram aqve unda vTqva,
rom qarTul bunebas axasiaTebs
erTi nakli; yvela qarTvels
hgonia, rom Tu is movida saprotesto aqciaze, e.i. amiT me raRac pativi mca. magram is me
amiT aranair pativs ar mcems,
mitingze kaci imisTvis midis,
rom ibrZolos Tavis TavisaTvis
da qveynisaTvis. meore – vinc
modis mitingze, mas hgonia, rom
im dResve unda Seicvalos xelisufleba, esec meore tyuilia, ar unda Seicvalos im
dResve. mitingze mivdivarT imisaTvis, rom protesti gamovxatoT da ara xelisuflebis Sesacvlelad. magaliTad, SevxedoT, rogor iqceodnen nelson
mandela an martin luTer kingi.
isini ikribebodnen garkveul
dRes da awyobdnen mSvidobian
msvlelobas erTi adgilidan meore adgilamde, oRond konkretuli uflebrivi moTxovniT. es
niSnavs, rom Cven unda SevikriboT Tundac yovel SabaTs, aTi
aTasi–oci aTasi kaci, mSvidobianad unda gaviaroT parlamentamde da xelSi aucileblad
unda gveWiros konkretuli moTxovna. magaliTad: gauSviT cixeebidan ukanono patimrebi. Semdeg unda moviTxovoT, rom Tavisufali da samarTliani sasamarTlo gvinda. mesame dRes unda
moviTxovoT, rom daiSalos Sinagan saqmeTa saministro damoukidebel uwyebebad, imitom, rom
es aris uzarmazari monstri,
romelSic yvelaferi erTadaa,
dawyebuli policiidan, damTavrebuli sazRvris dacvis da
kontrdazvervis departamentiT,
aseTi ram ki msoflios arcerT
qveyanaSi ar arsebobs, aseve unda moviTxovoT, rom gauqmdes
prokuratura, romelmac ver gaamarTla saaqarTveloSi da amis
nacvlad, rogorc uamrav dasavlur qveyanaSia, saxelmwifo
bralmdeblis instituti SemoviRoT. es unda iyos Cveni konkretuli uflebrivi moTxovnebi
da amisTvis unda imarTebodes
mitingebi. oRond rogorc ukve
vTqvi, aucileblad uwyvet reJimSi. erT welSi xom aris ormocdarva kvira da warmoidgineT, amdenjer rom gamovalT erTi wlis ganmavlobaSi jer aTi
aTasi kaci, Semdeg oci aTasi,
ocdaaTi aTasi...
meore mniSvnelovani gza es
aris muSaoba evropasTan, rasac
Cven aqtiurad vakeTebT kidec.
rac SeiZleba meti konferenciebi evropaSi, rac SeiZleba meti
Sexvedrebi evroparlamentSi, evrokomisiaSi, evrosabWoSi. rac
SeiZleba meti faqtebi politpatimrebze. exla bevri alaparakda
politpatimrebze
da
erTis
mxriv, es kargia, rac ufro meti ilaparakebs, miT ufro win
wamoiwevs saqme, magram mainc minda sazogadoebam icodes, rom
mTeli am erTi wlis ganmavlobaSi, Cvens garda aravis araviTari
saqmeebi ar Cautania evropaSi.
sanam imaT marTla ruseTis jaSuSebad ar gamoucxadebiaT da
nu yofen cxvirs im saqmeSi, razec adamianebis bedia damokidebuli!
gadavideT brZolis mesame
gzaze, es aris arCevnebi da aq
saWiroa speqtris maqsimaluri
konsolidacia. politikuri iqneba, ara politikuri Tu sazogadoebrivi, – amaSi yvela unda
Sevides. Cveni mTavari amocana
arCevnebze laparaki ki ara, saarCevno siebis dazusteba unda
iyos. milionnaxevari mkvdari
sulia xelisuflebis aqtivSi
da
ramdenic ginda moige, im
milionnaxevars mainc imateben.
amitom, pirvel rigSi, amomrCevelTa aRricxva unda movaxdinoT, am kuTxiT unda vibrZoloT. Cven gvaqvs kidec gza, Tu
rogor unda gavakeToT es, yvela saidumlos ar gavxsni exla, rom procesi ar gafuWdes,
magram yvelas veubnebi, rom unda gaerTiandnen am TvalsazrisiT. „eqvsianisgan“ movismineT,
rom maT moiwvies ucxouri
kompania, romelmac Turme Tqva,
rva milionad gavakeTebo. me
vacxadeb, rom arian qarTveli
donorebi ucxoeTSi, ara rusi
an ruseTis qarTvelebi, aramed
evropaSi moRvawe qarTvelebi,
vinc mzadaa, rom dados es rva
tyuilia yvela rom amas ibralebas exla. Cven, „winaaRmdegobis
moZraoba“ vxvdebodiT heidi hautalas, Tomas hamerbergs da piradad vaZlevdiT am saqmeebs. qvekomitetebis mosmenebi ukve dasrulda da exla velodebiT sakomiteto da saparlamento mosmenas oqtomberSi. magram miuxedavad amisa, xels ki ar vuSli
vinmes, piriqiT movuwodeb yvelas, partiebi iqneba es Tu
arapartiebi, gaerTiandnen am Temis garSemo, rac ufro meti
xalxi daiwyebs amaze laparaks,
miT ukeTesi, es Tema maqsimalurad unda avwioT. Tumca aqve vambob, rom Zalian arasasurvelia
rusulad da prorusulad ganwyobili an maTi dafinansebis
qveS myofi organizaciebi Cadiodnen briuselSi da am Temaze
laparakobdnen, imitom, rom isini piriqiT gaufasurebas axdenen
am sakiTxis.
–vis gulisxmobT?
–vfiqrob, is xalxi TviTon
mixvdeba, visac vgulisxmob. mogvcen saSualeba am xalxma, rom
Cven patimrebi gavaSvebinoT cixeebidan. nu erevian am saqmeebSi,
milioni da gavakeToT aRricxva, radgan esaa gadamwyveti am
momentSi.
–magram Tqvenc kargad mogex senebaT, rom qarTvelebi brZo lis xangrZliv formebs ar ari an SeCveuli da ramdenad iqneba
es gza momgebiani?
– ai, amitom unda gardavtexoT Cveni azrovneba da TiToeul
qarTvelamde unda daviyvanoT
azri, rom saWiroa SevcvaloT
Cveni brZolis stili da mzad
unda iyvnen imisaTvis, razec zemoT visaubre. es unda iyos xangrZlivi brZola. 2013 wlamde
2012 wlis arCevnebia, manamde unda movaswroT aRricxva da movigoT is arCevnebi. ai, amaze unda gvqondes orientacia aRebuli.
es ara mxolod Teoriuli sakiTxia, praqtikuladac SesaZlebelia misi ganxorcieleba. gvaqvs
amis gegmebi, gzebi, magram jerjerobiT yvelafers ar vamxel. aqamde rac vTqviT, Cven yvelaferi
gavakeTeT da vfiqrob, sakmaod
efeqturad. axla rasac vambob,
esac gakeTdeba da amas yvela dainaxavs.
lela arabuli
saerTo gazeTi 13
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
`saerTo gazeTis~ 50-e nomris gamosvlis Semdeg redaqciaSi satelefono zari gaisma. im
Jurnalists kiTxulobdnen, romelmac karen abgarovisgan interviu `naRdi somexi da Rrma
Tbiliseli~ aiRo. saaTi gvaqvs
daTmobili `obieqtivSi~ da Cveni didi survilia sxva somexTaTvis samagaliTo kacis gamoCena, leJava varo. (baton leJavas yuradReba ar miuqcevia winaTqmisTvis, sadac vwerdi, rom
karen abgarovi gardaicvala) vifiqre, netav, riTia samagaliTo,
karenis msgavsad mofiqral uamrav Tbilisel somexs vicnobTqo da axlaRa mivxvdi _ siamovnebiT melaparakebian, magram
gamoCena ar undaT, Sari mindao?
`Cemi somxebi~ davarqvi da
damcinis zogi, arsad dagekargono, _ Tu undaT damekargon,
vin iWerT, vagzlidan Tbilisierevans Tu ver gahyvebian, orTaWalis avtosadguridan gadis
taqsebi...
`Cemi somxebi~ iseT sagulisxmo ambebs hyvebian, CavTvale, rom mkiTxvelisTvisac saintereso iqneba, miTufro, rom
`neba momces~, dawere, dawereo.
davwer, aba, ras vizam, Tbiliseli marTlmadidebeli somxebis `dakveTa~, imedia, qsenofobobaSi ar CameTvleba.
Sari ras hqvia, an vin unda
gadagyaros Sars _ vkiTxe yvela
maTgans (arcerTi maTgani erTmaneTs ar icnobs). pasuxebi erTnairi Sinaarsis iyo, Tbilisia,
qalaqia, erTmaneTTan davdivarT,
_ me ra vici, is Cemi naTesavi
kidev sad dadis?
suren: _ `Tbiliseli somexi var, marTlmadidebeli, qaSueTSi monaTluli. naTesavebi
myavs murjaxeTSi, axlo-maxlo
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tbebSi da mdinareebSi blomad
Tevzia: TeTri amuri, karasi,
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iq cxovrobs kaci, veterinari,
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misi Semogarenis `ganmanaTlebeli~. Tu ucxo aravinaa sufraze, aucileblad iwyeba msjeloba imis Sesaxeb, rodis SeuerTdeba javaxeTi somxeTs da ra
aris saWiro amisTvis. glexma
ra icis politikis, imas erTi
suli aqvs gaiqces mindorSi,
imuSaos, traqtori sxvaze adre
iqiravos, naTesebs uyaraulos,
rom wyali aravin
gadaigdos Tavisken,
magram somxuri patriorizmi
ZvalrbilSi aqvs gamjdari. icis, rogor
moxvda
javaxeTis
miwaze misi TurqeTidan gamoqceuli
winapari, magram mainc Tavisad Tvlis,
imitom, rom rac
daibada eubnebian,
rom im drosve saqarTvelos hqonda
mitacebuli somxeTis miwa. haikazs rom
mousmino, Tmebi yalyze
dagidgebaT,
iseT istoriebs mogiyvebaT, Tan damajerebeli saubari
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me aqamde calkeul pirebze
`vicodi~, rom somxebi iyvnen:
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zaqaria faliaSvili, grigol
orbeliani, bagrationebi da a.S
rom varZia somxebisaa da samvel
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mRudelni qarTvelni. ena aqusT
qarTuli, da uwyian moTaveTa
TaTrulica damWirneobisaTvis
osmalTa.~
`javaxi~ _ satomo saxelebSi, romelTa daboloeba aris
`xi~ (kolxi, taoxi, javaxi),
fuze-sityva aRniSnavs adgils,
mxares, qveyanas, xolo bolokiduri imave Sinaarsisaa, rac `eli~ (taoeli, kolxeli) da `ari~ (opizari, odiSari)
garika: _ `ar maxsovs, zustad romeli weli, magram `vardebis revoluciamde~ iyo, rostovSi viyaviT biWebi, Cveni biznesi gvqonda. restoranSi romeliRacis nacnobi somxebi Segvxvdnen, ori yuTi gvaqvs, TqvenTan
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Semotana ar daminaxavs, magram
waRebisas Zalian mZimed rom daejajgurnen yuTebs, davinteresdi, meTqi, ra aris aseTi? _ sabrZolo masaliT gatenili yuTebi. TavianTi axlobeli ekiTxeba,
ra iyo, kremlze midixarTo? kremli ki ara, Cveni partiisaa,
SemodiT, ar gindaT somxeTis
ganTavisuflebao? visgan unda
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aseve romeliRac eklesiebi, magram wels gavige, rom somxuri
Zegli yofila varZiac, _ es raRac axalia.~
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1995 wels samvel karapetianma
gamosca ruka-cnobari `somxuri
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Zalian davinteresdi, saidan
moitana veterinarma haikazma
li aris, `gulavi~ aris, meti
ra gindaT, sanam saqmis gakeTebis dro mova, yvelaferi geqnebaTo. me Tbiliseli kaci var,
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viTarebaSi klavs kidec.
ase moxda igive vladislav
arZinbas SemTxvevaSi, zurab aCbas SemTxvevaSi, sergei baRafSis amaswindel SemTxvevaSic
da, SesaZloa, es procesi maSin
Sewyvitos, roca `programa
maqsimums~ dasrulebulad miiCnevs.
marTalia, 24 agvistos Catarebuli `afxazuri arCevne-
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
baxturiZe, Cemi axlobeli iyo da alikasac
imaze adre vicnobdi,
vidre igi afxazeTis
deputati gaxdeboda?
sul cota xnis win
anqvabis mamida qalbatoni leila gardaicvala da misi gardacvalebis ambavi swored
me vamcne anqvabs soxumSi. Zalian gauxarda, rom davureke
da egona, intervius
Cawers vapirebdi, magram roca vuTxari mi-
mesTan urTierTobebis am gziT
garkveva. Tuki saqarTvelos xelisuflebasac igive surs da
aseTive keTil nebas gamoiCens,
mzad varT TanamSromlobisaTvis da aseTi dokumentis xelmowerac SesaZlebelia!~
sxvaTaSoris, afxazur mxares Zalian esimpatiureba `Tavisufali demokratebis~ lideri irakli alasania da zustad
vici, rom masTan garda imisa,
rom sisxliT valSi arian, piradi da politikuri urTierTobebis mxrivac Zalian kargi
damokidebuleba aqvT.
aleqsandre anqvabi _ vin aris igi
da rogor SeiZleba ganviTardes
qarTul-afxazuri urTierTobebi?
bi, afxazeTis parlamentSi deputati gaxda da erTaderTi
politikosi iyo, romelic ambobda: `afxazeTis, rogorc avtonomiuri subieqtis politikuri momavali, mxolod federaluri mowyobis SemTxvevaSi
SeiZleba iyos gamarTlebuli
saqarTvelos, rogorc saxelmwifos SemadgenlobaSi, riTac
Tavidan avicilebT mosalodnel garTulebebso! imxanad,
afxazeTis `federaluroba~ ki
arada, saerTod yovelgvari
afxazuri iniciativa moRalateobrivad aRiqmeboda, arada
maSin, piradad CemTan saubarSi, alika ambobda: `moxdeba saSineleba da Cveni iniciativa
federalur mowyobaze sanatrebeli gauxdeba saqarTveloso! aleqsandre anqvabi qarTul-afxazuri
konfliqtis
dros afxazeTidan gaemgzavra
da da `Sin~ mxolod omis damTavrebidan ramdenime wlis
Semdeg dabrunda! ar SeiZleba
imis Tqma, rom igi, separatis-
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.net
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
ze
bi~ umalve ar scno evrokavSirma da de faqto saqarTvelos xelisuflebamac, magram
iq dRes axladarCeuli aleqsandre anqvabi movaleobis Sesrulebas ukve Seudga!
vin aris aleqsandre (alika) anqvabi da ra icis qarTulma sazogadobam mis Sesaxeb?
Cemi da ufro xnieri mosaxleobisTvis anqvabi sakmaod
kargad cnobili pirovnebaa da
isic kargad vuwyiT, rom axalgazrda aleqsandre imTaviTve
ar uTangrZnobda `aidgilaras~
arc xelmZRvanelobas da arc
separtistul propagandas.
gvaxsovs isic, rom igi gasuli saukunis 80-ian wlebSi,
TbilisSi swavlobda, xolo
mogvianebiT saqarTvelos Sinagan saqmeTa maSindeli ministris SoTa gorgoZis moadgile
iyo. gamsaxurdias prezidentobis dros ki aleqsandre anqva-
debiT an isini iyvnen kmayofili. Tavi davaneboT politikas
da wminda adamianuri poziciidan SevxedoT momxdars. lamazia, roca qarTvel mamakacs asfaltze agdeb da `dubinkas~
urtyam? es xom pirvel rigSi,
Rirsebis Semlaxavia da Semdeg
Tavisufal momitingeze Zaladoba? me 9 weli vimuSave TbilisSi, myavs qarTveli naTesavebic, megobrebic da kargad
vici qarTvelTa mentaliteti.
is Zaladoba, rac dRevandelma
saqarTvelos xelisuflebam ganaxorciela uRirsi saqcielia,
tebis mxridan siyvaruliT
sargeblobda, radgan ramdenjerac mSobliur kuTxeSi dabrunda, imdenjer teraqti mouwyves da yvelanairad cdilobdnen misi politikuri
arenidan CamoSorebas. erT-erTi aseTi Tavdasxma SarSan
zafxulSi moxda da sakuTar
WiSkarTan manqanidan gadmosvlisTanave gauxsnes cecxli.
mas TbilisSi, megobrebi da naTesavebic blomad hyavs da
erT-erTi ojaxi, Cemi saaxlobloca. jer kidev 1992 wels
omis dawyebamde aleqsandre anqvabs Cemdami Zalian Tbili da
kargi urTierToba hqoda, Cven
soxumsa da gudauTSi, rogorc
saqmiani, ise piradi urTierTobebi mowesrigebuli gvqonda
da minda giTxraT, rom arZinbas `sastavs~ es Zalian ar mosonda. magram bevrma xom ar
icoda, rom misi mamida leila
zezi darekvisa, Zalian Sewuxda da ar damaviwdeba misi
sityvebi: `eh, ira, milaia, razve eto normalno? ia i na poxoroni ne smogu priexat i ne
uveren Cto, moia telegrama
doidiot do noznaCenia, a leila dlia menia bila kak mat,
kogda ia Jil v tbilisi! kogda zaza umer, i togda ne smog
priexat i poJaluisto, esli
mzie uvideS, peredai ot menia
soboleznovanie i izvinenie..
vot tak moia xaroSaia, sposibo Cto pozvonila, ti vsegda
bila spravedlivaia i xoroSi
Celovek. v cerkov abezatelno
sdelaem panixidu dlia leili
i upaminaem io duSu!~ saqme
imaSia, rom swored baxturiZeebTan cxovrobda anqvabi iqmde,
vidre ministris moadgile
gaxdeboda da afxazi erovnebis
mamida leilas, mzrunvelobis
qveS iyo. leilas sikvdilamde
ramdenime xniT adre ki anqvabTan ZmasaviT gazrdili zaza
baxturiZe gardaicvala da
verc maSin daitira axlo naTesavebi alikam.
aseTi ojaxebi, anu Sereuli afxazur-qarTuli ojaxebi
ki saqarTveloSi Zalian bevria, rogorc ar unda ewyinos
es mavans da marTlac aranormaluria, alikas Tqmisa ar
iyos, roca naTesavis bednierebasa da ubedurebaze daswreba
ar SegiZlia avantiuristi politikosebis mizeziT.
amaswinaT, sul bolo interviuSi, romelic rusuli
sainformacio saagentos mier
gavrcelda, prezidentobis kandidati aleqsandre anqvabi ambobs: `ara mgonia, qarTvelebis
aseTi damcireba vinmes moswoneboda da maT Soris mec! (gulisxmobs 26 maisis darbevas).
ruseTSi qarTuli diaspora
Zlieria da veWvob, amgvari qme-
rasac ver vityvi saqarTvelos
moqalaqeebze da saerTod, me
xalxs erovnulobiT ar vafaseb. rogor SemiZlia leo bokeria, gia danelia anda bulat
okujava erovnulobiT Sevafaso?~
diax, rogorc Zveli, sabWouri nomenklatura da normaluri adamiani aleqsandre anqvabi `zogierTi mmarTveliviT~
arc qsenofobia da arc Sovinisti! Torem, imitom rom qarTveli viyavi, adrec da dResac
lamazad momiSorebda Tavidan
da arc Cems satelefono zarebs upasuxebda. metic, rogorc vici, afxazuri mxare
kvlav apirebs wina planze wamoswios
`Tavdausxmelobis~
dokumentze xelis moweris Tema da mxolod amis Semdeg
awarmoos molaparakebebi qarTul mxaresTan.
anqvabi ambobs: `iciT, rogoria Cveni momavali saqarTvelosTan? sergei baRafSis pre-
saakaSvilma ver Tu ar gamoiyena, aseve qarTvelebisadmi
simpatiurad ganwyobili sergei baRafSis mmarTvelobis periodi. aseve ar gamoiyena qarTuli diaspora ruseTSi, romlebsac afxazur elitasTan SesaniSnavi urTierTobebi aqvT
da didi albaTobiT, vidre xelisuflebaSia, arc aleqsandre
anqvabis personas gamoiyenebs
afxazebTan Tundac saxalxo
diplomatiis aRdgenis sakiTxSi.
arada, ra kargi iqneboda?
CamoviyvandiT Cvens kolegebs,
Semdeg Cven CavidodiT maTTan,
Camovidodnen inteligenciis
warmomadgenlebi, Semdeg Cvenebi Cavidodnen soxumSi da ase
Semdeg. xolo mogvianebiT, is
Wrilobac Sexorcdeboda, erTmaneTs rom mivayeneT.
Zalian menatreba soxumi da
Cemi soxumeli, afxazi megobrebi... marTalia, telefoniT
vekontaqtebi, magram Cvens
afxazeTSi Sexvedras mainc
sxva marili eqneba.
vici, dadgeba es dRe da
isic zustad vici, rom delegaciis wevrebs siidan Cems saxels da gvars aleqsandre anqvabi ar amoSlis, piriqiT...
Tuki es dRe marTlac dadga,
gadamexveva da metyvis: zdrastvui ira, pomniS kakie vremena
bili? a nado bilo li?!
Zvirfaso mkTxvelo!
`saerTo gazeTi~ da me, Jurnalisti irine gogosaSvili,
zidentobis dros araerTxel
SevTavazeT maT xelSekrulebis
dadeba. mSvidobis xelSekrulebaze vsaubrob da ai, es aris
Cveni momavali da vinc ar unda gaxdes afxazeTis prezidenti, es yvelasTvis umTavresi
iqneba. Cven keTilmezobloba
gvsurs, ar gvinda omi da vin-
yvelanairad vecdebiT, rom
uaxloes nomerSi aleqsandre
anqvabTan eqskluziuri interviu SemogTavazoT da ufro
konkretulad mogawodoT informacia, ras da rogor gegmavs afxazuri mxare saqarTvelosTan dakavSirebiT.
irine gogosaSvili
saerTo gazeTi 15
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
es interviu 2004 wels Sedga. mas Semdeg Svidi weli gavida. maSin batoni gurami mTeli
xmiT mouwodebda sazogadoebas
gamofxizlebisken;
cdilobda
daenaxvebina CvenTvis is safrTxeebi, rac saqqarTvelos mTavrobaSi axali Zalebis mosvliT
emuqqreboda Cvens qveyanas. ilias
`bednieri eris~ sindromi Rrmad
aris gamjdari Cvens SegnebaSi,
amitomac Cven es safrTxe ver
davinaxeT da dR
Resac dumiliT
viR
RebT yvela dartymas, rac
Cvens erovnul faseulobebs,
warsuls, saukuneebiT damkvidrebul cxovrebis wess, rwmenas,
momavals anadgurebs.
gTavazobT amonaridebs
interviudan.
_ batono guram, ramdenime
dRis win, roca TqvenTan interviuze movedi, erT-eerT SekiTxvad mqonda: ,,ra elis basil mkalaviSvils?“ dRes gasagebia,
rac elis basil mkalaviSvils,
magram ra elis qarTul marTlmadideblobas?
_ mTeli ubedureba is aris,
rom 80-iani wlebis aTeisturma
komunisturma reJimma saqarTvelos marTlmadidebloba gaaRariba Segnebuli codnisagan,
rwmenisagan. dRes Cven gvaqvs genetikurad da tradiciulad
marTlmadidebluri da ara Segnebuli marTlmadidebluri ganaTlebis mqone eri. ucodinrobisgan gadarCenis erTaderTi gza
iyo skolebi, sadac SemoRebuli
iyo religiis gakveTilebi, sadac bavSvebi ecnobodnen marTlmadideblobis anbans. dRevandeli
ganaTlebis ministri, rwmeniT
ieRoveli, gegmavs antimarTlmadideblur qmedebebs. Tqven da-
inaxavT, rogor SeizRudeba skolebSi religiismcodneoba, qarTuli enisa da literaturis
saaTebi Semcirdeba, samagierod,
mxrebs gaSlis seqsologiuri,
satanisturi literatura. sanam
Cven soross ar SevaTrevT soroSi, Cveni qarTuli marTlmadideblobis saSveli ar iqneba.
_ kanoni religiis Sesaxeb;
kanoni erovnuli rekvizitebis
Sesaxeb; kanoni enis Sesaxeb;
,,Turqi mesxebis“ Camosaxlebis
Sesaxeb _ ai, oTxi ZiriTadi mimarTuleba, romlisTvisac Tqven
ibrZodiT Tqveni saparlamento
moRvaweobis periodSi. ras miaRwieT da rogor apirebT brZolis gagrZelebas?
_ Cemi saparlamento brZolebiT me Sevakave antiqarTuli,
antierovnuli qmedeba, an aRvkveTe, zogjer bolomde miviyvane,
zogi yalyze Semdgari ambavi Cavawynare. SeCerda 40 000 ,,Turqi mesxis“
Camosaxlebis sakiTxi; mivaRwie imas, rom qarTuli ena ar aris gamocxadebuli
arasavaldebulo enad, erovnul
rekvizitebSi mamis saxeli aRd-
guram SaraZe: `frTxilad, qarTvelebo!~
genac Cems damsaxurebad mimaCnia.
me boikoti gamovucxade saparlamento arCevnebs. es parlamenti iqneba ieRovelTa da Tavisuflebis institutis parlamenti. qarTveli xalxi unda daisajos am parlamentis arCeviT, man
unda dainaxos, ra Caidina da moinanios Tavisi danaSauli, me ki
Cems sityvas, Cems xmas yovelTvis gavagoneb universitetis,
mecnierebaTa akademiis tribunebidan, quCidan, Cemi wignebidan,
statiebidan da Tan amas mwared
davayoleb _ ai, Tqven miiReT is,
rasac imsaxurebdiT Tqveni pasiurobiT, mimndobobiT, zogjer
kidev uzneobiT.
_ Tqven brZandebiT kolxuri koSkis komisiis Tavmjdomare. sazogadoebas araerTxel warudgineT komisiis mier Catare-
buli muSaobis erTgvari angariSi. ra saqmianobas eweva dRes
komisia?
_ samwuxarod, verafriT gagaxarebT. gaerTianebul qarTul
bankSi Cven gavxseniT angariSi
da viTxovdiT Tanxebis gadmoricxvas. dRevandel mTavrobas
axali politikuri qulebis dasawerad surs zviad gamsaxurdias Zvlebis gadmosveneba. me gaxlavarT batoni zviadis ndobiT
aRWurvili piri da Tavs uflebas vaZlev ganvacxado, rom batoni prezidentis gadmosvenebis
sakiTxi SeiZleba dadges maSin,
roca
pirveli _ roca saqarTvelos generaluri prokuratura
mouxsnis mas samSoblos moRalatis, xazinisa da bankis Zarcvis braldebas.
meore _ unda aRvadginoT
kolxuri koSki. rogor? saqarTvelosgan dautirebeli prezidenti kolxur koSkSi ar davasvenoT, pirdapir gavaqanoT da CavasvenoT saflavSi?! keTili inebos xelisuflebam da aRadginos
kolxuri koSki, sadac davasve-
nebT baton prezidents da codvilma
qveyanam saTanadod
daitiros da gamoisyidos mis winaSe
Cadenili danaSauli.
_ batoni konstantine gamsaxurdia saparlamento
arCevnebSi miiRebs
monawileobas. rogor fiqrobT, sazogadoeba mzad aris
mis misaRebad?
_ me am kiTxvas sxvanairad davsvamdi. batoni konstantine Tu aris
mzad dRevandel sazogadoebasTan Sesaxvedrad. me,
raTqma unda, mivesalmebi zviadis
STamomavlobis samSobloSi dabrunebas, magram...
_ SesaZloa, es sakiTxi
dRes naklebad aqtualuria, magram Tavis droze Tqven ibrZodiT xuTjvriani droSis winaaRmdeg.
_ piriqiT, dResac aqtualuria. sanam es droSa ar Camovardeba saqarTvelos Tavidan,
qveyana am codvisgan ver gaTavisufldeba. Cven yoveldRe unda
vimeoroT romaelebiviT: ,,karTageni unda daingres“. es aris
ucxo, dampyrobeluri, jvarosnuli, ierusalimuri droSa, Sedegic saxezea. Cveni prezidenti
sakmaod uxerxul mdgomareobaSi
Cavarda safrangeTSi samferovani
droSis gamo. igi dahpirda emigrantebs, rom droSis nawils
gerbs Caayolebda. vin misca xelisuflebas imis ufleba, rom
droSa, gerbi, himni Tavisi survilis mixedviT cvalos. amdens
iulius keisari ver gaubedavda
Tavis xalxs. sikvdilamde akaki
baqraZe gvafrTxilebda: `frTxilad, qarTvelebo, droSis qurdoba ar dagvabralon“.
_ ras gvetyviT harvardisa
da levilis arqivebis Sesaxeb?
_ es arqivebi srulad aRvwere, gavwminde da Cavabare saqarTvelos saxelmwifo saistorio muzeums. TxuTmeti weli
vibrZodi imisaTvis, rom levilis mamuli, romelic qarTvelTa fuliT aris nayidi, saqarTvelos sakuTrebaSi gadmovides.
darwmunebuli var, prezidenti
amas sakuTar damsaxurebad miiwers.
_ batonma prezidentma qarTvel emigrantebs aRuTqva, rom
igi saqarTveloSi gadmoasvenebs
cnobil qarTvelTa neSTebs.
_ absoluturad miuReblad
mimaCnia qarTvelTa neSTebis Sewuxeba.
emigraciaSi arsebuli saflavebi Cven gvafrTxilebs: qarTvelebo, iyaviT fxizlad,
rom SemdgomSic ar mogiwioT qveynidan qarTveli gmirebis gaZeveba da Semdgom iq dasaflaveba.
es sagangaSo saflavebia, saqarTveloSi Cven gvaqvs ilias
saflavi. kidev erTxel vimeoreb:
qarTvelebo, iyaviT fxizlad,
rom saqarTvelom Tavisi Rirseuli Svilebi ucxoeTSi ar gadakargos.
pasportebSi mamis saxeli ki
ara gvarebis Semoklebac aqqvT
dagegmili.
parlamenti rogorc dakompleqqtda, yvelam kargad viciT.
saqqarTvelos devnili prezidentis
zviad gamsaxurdias mravaltanjuli neSTi yovelgvari
aministiis gareSe gaveranebul,
mouwesrigebel kolxur koSkSi
daatirebines qarTvelebs da is
midamo, sadac qarTuli literaturis Sedevrebi iwereboda da
qarTuli suli Rvioda, dR
Res
aravis axsovs.
batoni konstantine gamsaxurdia Sexvda qarTul sazogadoebas, magram Tavisi politikuri moR
RvaweobiT datova sityva
`magram“...
qarTveli emigrantebis mier
saqqarTvelosTvis Senaxul- daculi da naanderZevi levilis
mamulis Sesaxebac saeWvo dumili sufevs. sazogadoebas aqqvs
ufleba icodes konkretulad
batoni guram SaraZis SfoTvis mizezi axla mainc xom gasagebia sazogadoebisTvis. gavixsenoT:: problemebi zogadsaganmanaTleblo saswavleblebSi. Semcirda ara marto qarTuli enisa da literaturis saaTebi,
aramed saswavlo programac ucnauri formiT miewodeba moswavleebs. gauqqmda religiis saaTebi, religiis kuTxeebi skolebSi
da umaR
Rles saswavleblebSi, sadac studentebi da moswavleebi
marTlmadideblur locvebs kiTxulobdnen.
vin aris misi patroni. saqqarTvelos mTavroba marTla apirebs
sakuTar damsaxurebad miiweros
Rac, magram ra ,
am apeqqtSi raR
amas dro gviCvenebs.
ki, swuxda batoni gurami,
magram ara mgonia dR
Res vinmes
sazR
RvargareT dasvenebul qarTvelTa neSTebis samSobloSi
dabrunebis dardi ar asvenebdes,
is ki ara da, qveynidan ukanmouxedavad gaqqceulTa Sesaxebac
dums.
dums qarTuli sazogadoebac
iseve, rogorc dumda...
naTia gogitiZe
muamar kadafis
daxvreta emuqreba
libieli amboxebulebis gancxadebiT, qveynis damxobil lider
muamar kadafisa da mis
vaJebs daWeris SemTxvevaSi daxvreta eliT, —
iuwyeba ucxouri media.
wyaros cnobiT, amboxebulebi maT gasamarTlebas e.w. Ria sasamarTlos wesiT, kacobriobis winaSe Cadenili
danaSaulebisaTvis upireben. gazeT “Taimsis”
cnobiT, diqtatoris qaliSvil aiSas sasikvdilo
ganaCeni ar emuqreba, radgan mas brali mxolod
finansur danaSaulebebSi edeba. Sesabamisi gancxadeba gardamaval nacionalur sabWosTan moqmedma iusticiis ministrma gaakeTa.
rac Seexeba muamar kadafis adgilsamyofels,
aRniSnuli sabWo am sakiTxze komentarisagan
Tavs ikavebs.
`usafrTxoebasTan dakavSirebul sakiTxebze,
rac kadafis adgilsamyofels Seexeba, gancxade-
bebs ar gavakeTebT. arc imas vityviT, rac viciT da arc imas, rac ar viciT”, — aRniSna gardamavali nacionaluri sabWos presmdivanma
Mahmud Samanma.
cnobisaTvis: ucxouri mediis cnobiT, muamar
kadafi zimbabveSi gaiqca.
kaxa kukavam moskovSi
viziti daasrula
partia „Tavisufali saqarTvelos“s Tavmjdomarem kaxa kukavam
moskovSi viziti daasrula, romlis drosac
igi ruseTis mTavar sanitars genadi oniSCenkos Sevxda da qarTuli produqtebis rusul bazarze dabrunebis sakiTxi ganixila.
kaxa kukava uaxloes dReebSi sazogadoebas qarTuli sasoflo-ssameurneo produqciis ruseTSi eqsportis konkretul gegmas gaacnobs.
`medianiusi~
16 saerTo gazeTi
gvesaubreba
samxedro eqqsperti
irakli sesiaSvili:
_ irakli, kavkasiur qarTul-ssomxur-aazerbaijanul samkuTxedSi safrTxis Semcveli
urTierTobebi ikveTeba. saqarTvelos xelisufleba cdilobs
aCvenos, rom Zalian megobruladaa ganwyobili azerbaijanTan.
_ zogadad, kavkasia CemTvis
erTi didi ojaxia, sadac ojaxis
wevrebs SeiZleba uTanxmoeba
hqondeT, magram kavkasiuri mentalitetis, istoriis, tradiciebis gaTvaliswinebiT mimaCnia,
rom aq dauSvebelia gadametebuli politikis TamaSi da faruli xlarTebis gavrceleba. azerbaijanis da somxeTis urTierToba ufro mkafioa, yarabaxis
konfliqtis gamo saqarTvelos
politikuri statusi am or qveyanasTan urTierTobis TvalsazrisiT Zalian mniSvnelovania
zogadad, regionisTvis da dasavleTisTvisac. vfiqrob, saqarTvelos xelisufleba dResdReobiT
gaugebar politikas eweva am or
qveyanasTan mimarTebaSi da rig
SemTxvevaSi, piradad me dezorientirebuli var, Tu ra TamaSs
TamaSobs Cveni xelisufleba.
TiTqos azerbaijanlebi Cveni
strategiuli partniorebi arian
da es asecaa, magram somxeTTan
amdeni pozirebis TamaSi garkveul kiTxvis niSnebs badebs. maT
Soris ramdenime xnis win ganxorcilebuli Tavdacvis ministris voiaJi somxeTSi da erToblivi gancxadebebi TanamSromlobis Taobaze. aseve, somxeTis
patriarqis viziti saqarTveloSi da aSkara mxardaWera ara ubralod religiuri TavisuflebisTvis, aramed somxuri eklesiisTvis saqarTveloSi, rac, ra
Tqma unda politikur liders
aCens xelisuflebebTan. miTumetes, rodesac sarqisiani saqarTveloSi iyo TiTqos gansakuTrebuli partnioroba SeiniSneboda
maSin, roca, realurad saqarTvelosTvis somxeTSi arsebuli
rusuli samxedro bazebi pirdapiri safrTxis matarebelia da
es mimarTuleba sakmaod saSiSia
Cveni qveynisTvis. amitom saerTo
jamSi, Cveni strategiuli urTierToba azerbaijanTan, miTumetes, rodesac orive mxridan
azerbaijani da somxeTi gvesazRvreba, romlebic Tavis mxriv,
faqtobrivad, moZme erebi arian,
am konteqstSi, Cemi azriT, Cveni gamokveTili orientiri romelime qveyanasTan gansakuTrebuli strategiuli partniorobis
TvalsazrisiT, wamgebiania. Tu
gadavxedavT bolo periodSi ganviTarebul movlenebs da aseve
imis riskebs, rom SesaZloa
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
`odes turfa gaiafdes...~
azerbaijansa da somxeTs Soris
konfliqti Zalis mier meTodebSi gadaizardos, am SemTxvevaSi,
Cvens xelisuflebas maqsimaluri sifrTxile marTebs, raTa
nebsiT Tu uneblieT, romelime
mxareze ar aRmoCndes. swored
amitom mimaCnia, rom xelisuflebam winaswar unda daafiqsiros neitraluri pozicia konfliqtSi CarTvasTan dakavSirebiT
da aseve orive qveynis gasagonad
mkafiod unda ganacxados, rom
Cveni teritoria, politikuri
mocemuloba am orma qveyanam SeiZleba gamoiyenos mxolod humanitaruli miznebisTvis. es iqneba Sesabamisi tranzituli momsaxureba, oRond mxolod humanitaruli miznebisTvis, anu dauSvebelia Cvens teritoriaze,
konfliqtis gaRvivebis SemTxvevaSi, gaiaros romelime samxedro tvirTma. es aris absoluturad miuRebeli. amave konteqstSi, albaT, somxeTs unda vurCioT da vTxovoT _ konfliqtis
gaRvivebis SemTxvevaSi rusuli
zegavlena an zemoqmedeba Cvens
qveyanaze aRqmuli iqneba, rogorc Cveni iZuleba CaverToT
konfliqtSi, es faqtori unda
gaiTvaliswinos, Tu adgili eqneba samxedro dapirispirebas
azerbaijansa da somxeTs Soris.
ruseTis zewolis qveS ar unda
gvaiZulon, magaliTad, somxeTis
momarageba an tranzitis gamoyeneba samxedro tvirTebisTvis. es
TavisTavad dapirispirebaSi mogvaqcevs azerbaijanTan. Tavidan
vaxsene, meCveneba, rom xelisufleba absoluturad gauazrebel
politikur manipulaciebs eweva,
swored amitom, saWiroa Cveni
poziciebi gamokveTos da romelime qveyanas ar hqondes imis
iluzia, rom romelime
mxaris gverdiT davdgebiT.
_ dRes kavkasiaze
brZola midis. ruseT-aamerikis intersebis dajaxebis epicentrSi ki swored Cven varT. Tumca,
roca ruseTi gvaqvs aCemebuli, ar unda dagvaviwydes, rom am procesebSi
TurqeTi da iranicaa CarTuli. rogor SeiZleba
ganviTardes movlenebi am
fonze?
faqtobrivad,
dRes aWara Turqebs aqvT
dapyrobili.
_ Tu vigulisxmebT
imas, rom aWaraSi bevri
Turqi investoria, maSin am logikiT SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom
Cven realurad varT ruseTi im
martivi axsniT, rom mTeli
energosistema, ekonomikuri berketebi ruseTis xelSia. investicia ar unda aRviqvaT, rogorc
aneqsia. investicia TavisTavad
aris kargi, magram am investiciebis gonivruli regulireba unda xorciedebodes saxelmwifo
doneze. ar SeiZleba es zedmetad mivabaT saxelmwifoTaSorisurTierTobebs. mesmis, rom
bisTvis mgrZnobiarea is Tema,
rom baTumSi meCeTi Sendeba, magram amas Turqebs nu davabralebT. Turqebis saxelmwifo politika mdgomareobs imaSi, rom
gaavrcelos sakuTari religia
da Semdeg zegavlena mezobel
qveynebze. Tu rame xdeba Cveni
saxelmwifo interesebis sawinaaRmdegod, es xdeba Cveni xelisuflebis TanxmobiT da TanamonawileobiT. ase, rom roca vambobT _ TurqeTi aWaras gvarTmevso, ver wagvarTmeven, Tu ar
mivcemT.
_ rac Seexeba TurqeTis interesebs afxazeTTan mimarTebaSi, ra viTarebaa am kuTxiT.
dRes ruseTs rom ar ekavos es
teritoria, mieniWeboda Tu ara
prioriteti TurqeTs?
_ es riskebi arsebobs, amas
gverds ver avuvliT, magram isev
da isev yvelaferi damokidebulia Cvenze. Tu Cveni iurisdiqcia afxazeTze gavrceldeba,
cxadia, aseTi riskebi iarsebebs,
miTumetes, Sav zRvaze upiratesobis mopoveba Zalian mniSvnelovania TurqeTisTvis, ise rogorc ruseTisTvis, ukrainisTvis. amitom, am riskebis marTva
SesaZlebelia, Tumca isic unda
sazRvrispira regionebSi mezobeli qveynis maqsimaluri CarTva
da misTvis ekonomikuri berketebis gadacema riskebis, safrTxeebis matarebelia, magram amas
sxva saxelmwifos nu davabralebT. es unda davabraloT sakuTar xelisuflebas, rom man es
riskebi Tavis droze ver gaTvala. rac Seexeba religiur Temas
_ mesmis, rom aWaris mosaxleo-
gaviTvaliswinoT, rom saqarTvelo multinacionaluri saxelmwifoa, sadac bevri umciresoba
da sxva eTnikuri jgufebia, maTi
interesebis ugulvebelyofa Tavis mxriv Cven ar mogvcems imis
saSualebas, rom realurad demokratiul saxelmwifod CamovyalibdeT. dasavleTSi arsebobs
imis kargi formebi, Tu rogor
SeiZleba SeinarCuno saxelmwifos damoukidebloba, uzrunvelyo saxelmwifos interesebi
da amasTanave iyo demokratiuli.
problema isaa, rom Cvenma xelisuflebam ugunurobiT Zalian
bevri risk-faqtori uyuradRebod datova, ris gamoc gviwevs
dRes qsenofobiaze da sxvadasxva sakiTxze saubari maSin, rodesac aseTi survilebi Cvens sazogadoebaSi ar arsebobs. dRes
Tuki vinme qsenofobiaze saubrobs, es Tema wamovida ara sazogadoebidan, aramed xelisuflebidan.
_ dRes TurqeTi, rogorc
aSS-ss partniori isea warmodgenili da albaT amitomac vixrebiT TurqeTisken, magram ramdenad misaRebi poziciaa es Cveni
saxelmwifosTvis?
litva afxazeTis arCevnebis legitimurobas ar cnobs
litva afxazeTSi Catarebul
e.w saprezidento arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT evrosabWos pozicias
sruliad iziarebs da mis legitimurobas ar cnobs.
litvis sagareo saqmeTa ministris, euTos Tavmjdomaris audronius aJubalisis gancxadebiT,
afxazeTSi Catarebuli nebismieri
arCevnebi, mxolod maSin iqneba
legitimuri, roca molaparakebebis Sedegad miiRweva iseTi Sedegi, romelic misaRebi iqneba yvela
dainteresebuli mxarisaTvis.
,,samxreT kavkasiaSi Zalian bevri resursia daxarjuli konfliqtebze. sakiTxis mogvarebaSi yvelam Tavisi roli unda iTamaSos. saerTaSoriso sazogadoeba, maT Soris
euTo, mxars uWers am process, gansakuTrebiT
Jenevis molaparakebebs. yvela dainteresebulma mxarem, Sedegis misaRwevad, unda gamoavlinos politikuri neba, raTa uzrunvelyon regionaluri usafrTxoeba”- ganacxada aJubalisma.
misi TqmiT, Jenevis molaparakebebSi euTo aqtiurad monawileobs,
raTa gaumjobesdes usafrTxoeba da
humanitaruli situacia.
SegaxsenebT, rom evrosabWosa da
natos warmoadgenlebma ganacxades,
rom isini ar aRiareben afxazeTSi
gamarTuli de-f
faqto saprezidento
arCevnebis legitimurobas.
afxazeTSi de-f
faqto saprezidento arCevnebi
26 agvistos Catarda, romelSic 54,9 procentiT
aleqsandre anqvabma gaimarjva.
`medianiusi~
_ TurqeTi dRes aris im stadiaze, romelic sakuTar Tavs
ganixilavs ara rogorc aSS-s
frTebqveS arsebul saxelmwifos, aramed rogorc aSS-sTvis
karg partniors. maT Soris, SegviZlia strategiulic vTqvaT,
magram Tu gadavavlebT Tvals
bolo periodSi momxdar politikur movlenebs _ davinaxavT,
rom TurqeTi, rig SemTxvevebSi,
amerikul politikas ewinaaRmdegeba kidec. rodesac sabWoTa
aliansi dapirispirebuli iyo natosTan, maSin TurqeTi ar iyo
iseTi ganviTarebuli da dacva
sWirdeboda, magram dRes TurqeTi, maT Soris, samxedro potencialiT, erT-erTi lideri qveyanaa. ase, rom dRes igi vinmes
kalTas ar aris amofarebuli. aq
pirdapiri interesebia evrokavSiris, aSS-s, TurqeTis, ruseTis, iranis. es Cveulebrivi movlenaa Cveni geografiuli adgilmdebareobis
gaTvaliswinebiT.
ubralod, yvela faqtori saxelmwifo interesebidan gamomdinare
moqmedebs da maT moeTxovebaT
saerTaSoriso wesebis dacva. ai,
am samkuTxedSi unda gadawydes
zogadad kavkasiis bedi.
_ irakli, ra viTarebaa saqarTvelos natoSi gawevrianebis
mxriv?
_ samwuxarod, Zalian gaufasurda Cveni politikuri roli
regionSi. ase, rom kiTxvaze rodis gavxdebiT natos wevri _ pasuxi aseTia _ roca fasi gveqneba maSin. amisTvis saWiroa minimum sami sakiTxis uzrunvelyofa:
1) mkafiod gamovxatoT Cveni politikuri pozicia, rom konfliqtebs Zaladobrivad ar movagvarebT; 2) rusebTan davareguliroT urTierToba da mivaRwioT
im Sedegs, rom procesSi orive
mxarem gaswios kompromisi da
garkveul Sedegebze gavideT. 3)
Cven gvWirdeba stabiluri demokratiis uzrunvelyofa saxelmwifoSi. mxolod amis Semdeg gaixsneba natos kari. manamde Zalian rTul viTarebaSia saqarTvelo da, maT Soris, nato, romelmac ar icis ra qnas _ gviTxra,
rom gavwevriandebiT natoSi, magram rogor, ra formiT, amis berketi ar Cans. Cven sasargeblo
unda gavxdeT, Cveni fasi realuri unda iyos, amis indikatorebia _ demokratia, ekonomika, socialuri garemo, ruseTTan urTierToba da a.S. dRes, saakaSvili Tu gamova da monRoloidur,
CamorCenil rasas uwodebs rusebs _ es TavisTavad mianiSnebs,
rom aq ar aris demokratiuli
xelisufleba.
_ kavkasia msoflio mniSvnelobis strategiuli obieqtia _
swored amis gacnobierebam gaaaqtiura amerika...
_ ara, geografiulad SeiZleba yovelTvis mimzidveli iyos, magram geopolitikurad ramdenad mimzidvelia dRes vinmesTvis, amaSi ukve eWvi mepareba. mxolod mezoblebisTvis aris mimzidveli _ ruseTisTvis, iranisTvis da TurqeTisTvis. aSS-sTvis da dasavleTisTvis es mimzidveloba, maT TvalSi davkargeT imitom, rom gaviafdiT.
Tamar SveliZe
saerTo gazeTi 17
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
`saerTo gazeTis~ stumaria
eqspertTa klubis wevri politologi gia xuxaSvili::
_ gamomdinare iqedan, rom
ekonomika faqtobrivad, ar funqcionirebs da xelisuflebas
Tavisi fantaziebis dasakmayofileblad- absoluturad gaumarTlebeli taS-fanduris uzrunvelsayofad, mudmivad sWirdeba
fuli, bunebrivia, es Tanxa saidanRac unda movides. Sesabamisad, sazogadoebaze wnexi izrdeba. nebismieri fuli, romelic
biujetSi Sedis, Cveni jibidan
sxva da sxva formiT aris amoRebuli: gadaxdili gadasaxadebis saxiT, komunaluri xarjebiT Tu sxva e.w. valdebulebebiT. ase rom, mudmivi moTxovnilebaa fulze. fuli `narkotikze zis~, jansaRi ekonomikuri
procesi ar aris da aqedan gamomdinare, ekonomika meti fulis amoqaCvis saSualebas ar
iZleva. amitom, pirdapiri wnexis qveS veqceviT da meore- cinikuri damokidebuleba: adamianebis gaRaribeba, TiTqos xelisuflebas ar unda awyobdes,
Tumca meore mxriv, rac ufro
Raribia adamiani, rac ufro
autanel pirobebSi cxovrobs,
rac ufro upovaria, (rogorc
aCvena saqarTvelos da bevri
sxva qveynis gamocdilebam)misi
marTva saarCevnod bevrad ufro
iolia, anu ufro iafia xmis
yidva saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi.
biznesis e.w nairsaxeobad
Camoyalibda saarCevno biznesi,
sadac upovaris xma gansakuTrebiT iafi jdeba. xolo roca
ekonomikuri problemebi gadawyvetilia, maSin is konkretuli
piri iwyebs fiqrs da akeTebs
Segnebul arCevans, rac xelisuflebas ar awyobs. mas urCevnia sikvdil-sicocxlis piras
myofi adamiani, romelic fiqrobs ara xvalindel da zegindel dReze, aramed fiqrobs
dRes ra aWamos Svilebs. aseTi
adamianis xmis yidva Zalian advilia. ai, aseTi cinikuri midgomaa.
_ am viTarebaSi sad arian
e.w. dasavleli partniorebi,
romlebic qveyanaSi demokrati is da adamianis sayovelTao uf lebebis qomagad warmogviCend nen Tavs?
_modi, ase vTqvaT: demokratiis dacviT dasavleli partniori ratom unda iyos dainteresebuli? zogadad, ra Tqma
unda, dasavlel partniors urCevnia is faseulobaTa sistema,
razec dgas es civiluri qveynebi aqac iyos ganviTarebuli. Tu
xedavs, rom im resursebs, rasac
faseulobaTa
sistema
iTxovs, ver flob, maSin rCebaT
mxolod interesebi. dRevandeli viTarebiT, dasavleTma xeli
aiRo saqarTveloSi demokratiuli faseulobis danergvaze da
amis Semdgom, maT darCaT mxolod da mxolod interesebi.
verc gavamtyunebT, radgan demokratiuli faseulobebis danergva qarTuli sazogadoebis
gasakeTebelia da ara dasavleTis. sxvaTaSoris, SeerTebuli
Statebis elCma erT-erT amerikul gazeTSi intervius dros
reportiorebis saqmesTan dakavSirebiT gaavrcela fraza: es
saqme aris erTgvari `roSahis
testi~ qarTuli sazogadoebis
mimarTo, rac Zalian sworad
aris naTqvami( roSahis testi
aris fsiqologiuri xasiaTis,
rodesac aCveneben raRac laqas
da dgeba sakiTxi, vin ras xedavs am laqis ukan. am niSnis
mixedviT xdeba piris fsiqikuri
mdgomareobis Semowmeba)
rogorc Sexedavda sazogadoeba
reportiorebis saqmes, is daskvna gakeTdeboda masze. testi
qarTulma sazogadoebam nawilobriv Caabara-reportiorebis
fizikurad gadarCena movaxerxeT, marTalia, maTi moraluri
reabilitacia ki ver movaxer-
_ rac Seexeba qveynis e.w.
kurss-t
tolerantobas: roca qs enofobiis sababiT iWeren xa lxs, aseTi precedentis msxver pli TviT robert sturuac
gaxda, sul axlaxan iuridiuli
piris statusi mianiWies reli giebsa da konfensiebs, ras mog vitans es viTareba, an iqneb, rame konkretuli miznisken aqvs
gaTvla xelisuflebas?
_ sxvaTaSoris, Zalian faqizi sakiTxebia. saqarTveloSi
tolernatobis problema arasodes yofila. Cveni
istoriac amas mowmobs. zogadad, faseulobebis
danergavs
unda hqondes procesis saxe. cecxliT da
maxviliT, xelebis
gadagrexviT ar unda
inergebodes, Tanamedrove Tundac realuri faseuloba. sapatriarqosTan damokidebulebaSi ra formiTac xdeboda am kanonis miReba yovlad
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.net
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
ze
xelisufleba flobs sazoga doebaze zemoqmedebis teqno logiebs, Tu Cven varT aziu ri mentalobis xalxi da ev ropelebisgan gansxvavebiT ar
vreagirebT fasebis momateba ze?
_ araviTar SemTxvevaSi. amas
aqvs ori mizezi. pirveli-sezonuria. roca naklebia, rogorc
socialuri, aseve politikuri
riskebi, xelisufleba am dros
cdilobs Tavisi politikuri
interesebidan gamomdinare arapopulari nabijebi gadadgas da
saqme moiTavos, meore-realuri
winaaRmdegoba mas ara aqvs,
Tundac reportiorebis saqmidan gamomdinare vimsjeloT.
vin aqtiurobda maT dasacavad?
Jurnalistebi da sazogadoebis
garkveuli nawili. sad iyvnen
politikosebi? maT gadawyvites, rom Cveni adgili daikavon. gvmoZRvron brifingebze da
iqeT gvisayveduron. Cven ki, gavediT quCaSi. Tavdayira daayenes yvelaferi. rolebi Segvicvales, radgan ase moswonT. es
statusi urCevniaT. zogi xelisuflebas gaurigda, zogi kurortebze isvenebs. am viTarebaSi isev Cven unda gvisayveduron?
`roSahis teqsti~
qarTveli sazogadoebisaTvis
xeT. Tumca dRevandel viTarebaSi sami adamianis fizikuri gadarCena, romelTac umZimesi
braldeba aqvT wayenebuli...
esec iZleva imeds, rom am sazogadoebaSi kidev arsebobs resursi, xelisuflebas raRacaze
vuTxraT ara.
_ batono gia, modi gadavxe doT, ra viTarebaa politikur
speqtrSi, saakaSvils ovaciebiT
xvdebian, am dros opozicia
mdumarebs, axla xelisuflebis
politikuri oponentebi saSe modgomod gegmaven startis
aRebas, ramdenad imediani viTarebaa, an sadamde migviyvans ase Ti suraTi?
_ xelisuflebas ovaciebiT
xvdebiano- mgoni, gadaWarbebuli Sefasebaa. Tqven, albaT, Cemze aranaklebad iciT, rogor
xdeba am ovaciebis `organizeba~
ar vfiqrob, rom dRevandel viTarebaSi am xelisuflebas sadme bunebrivi ovaciebiT egebebodnen. ki, aris garkveuli jgufi, magram es segmenti dResdReobiT Zalian mcirea. ubralod, dRes arsebobs situacia,
roca mxolod xelisuflebis
problema ki ar gvaqvs, mTlianad politikuri elitis _
opoziciuri
speqtris
saxiT,krizisia. politikosebi _
saxelisuflebo Tu opoziciuri speqtrisa, mTlianad mowyvetilni arian sazogadoebas, anu
ufskruli gaCnda. ndoba xalxs
politikuri elitis mimarT
TiTqmis ganulebuli aqvs. qveyanaSi realuri politikuri
procesi rom daiwyos saWiroa
ndobis aRdgena. unda mividnen
sazogadoebasTan da Semdeg daarwmunon, rom am opozicias
marTlac surs qveyanaSi cvlilebebi. samwuxarod,
bolo
wlebSi Zalian bevri imedgacrueba iyo.
warmoudgenelia. es procesi gaxldaT absoluturad miuRebeli. miuxedavad imisa, rom kanonis SinaarsTan SeiZleba arc
gvqondes didi pretenzia, forma-rogor mimdinareobda procesi, iyo absoluturad warmoudgeneli. metsac getyviT, Tu rame daZabuloba gaCnda nacionalur niadagze, amis ZiriTadi
mizezi gaxda xelisuflebis
ugunuri, araadeqvatuli qmedebebi. sapatriarqos Zalisxmeva
TviT politikosebis mxridan.
es politikosebi TvaldaxelSua komentatorebad iqcnen. xelisuflebis mxridan nebismier
arapopularul qmedebebze mxolod brifings gamarTaven da
Tvlian, rom amiT saqme gaakeTes. samwuxarod, arc profkavSirebi funqcionirebs am qveyanaSi.
_ Tumca sazogadoebas ayvedrian, ar vargixarT, Tqvengan
ar iyo meti Zalisxmevao...
rom ara, SeiZleboda Zalian
mZime procesebis winaSe davmdgariyaviT. miuxedavad imisa,
amis obieqturi safuZveli ar
iyo. faqtobrivad, xelisuflebam Zalian swor adgilze moaxdina mZime procesebis provocireba. madloba ekuTvnis sapatriarqos, dainaxes saSiSroeba
da Tavadve Caacxres viTareba.
Torem iseTi jini SeiZleboda
amosuliyo boTlidan, romlis
ukan Catrialeba Zalian gaWirdeboda.
_ batono gia, es xelisuf leba zafxulSi naCqarevi we siT iRebs kanon-pproeqtebs,
sayofacxovrebo gadasaxadebi
geometriuli progresiiT ma tulobs, rasTan gvaqvs saqme-
_ nu, axla politikosebs es
ubedureba sWirT. TviTkritikuloba maT ar axasiaTebT. sakuTar ususurobas Cven gvayvedrian. roca sazogadoeba politikosebSi grZnobda Zalas, yovelTvis mihyveboda mas. Tumca isev
politikosebi tovebdnen sazogadoebas kritikul momentSi
upatronod. es araerTxel iwvnia Tavis Tavze sazogadoebam.
aranairi safuZveli, rom arsebul viTarebaSi politikosebs
endos, samwuxarod, qarTvel
xalxs ar aqvs. gvaCvenon realuri brZola, aRidginon ndoba, Caicvan rkinis qalamnebi, Sevidnen yvela ojaxSi, dagvarwmunon sakuTar mondomebaSi da
amis Semdeg, mogvTxovon.
_ sul axlaxan televiziiT
vnaxeT anakliis kadrebi, Tu
rogori ovaciiT Sexvda sameg relos
mosaxleoba
prezi dents...
_ ar vici, romeli mosaxleoba Sexvda, vis Sexvda... albaT,
aris raRac nawili, romelic
ovaciebiT xvdeba, esec gemovnebis sakiTxia Tumca mainc mgonia, rom `rusTavi-2~ da `imedi~
gvixataven virtualur realobas. es kadrebi, Cemi azriT, sakmaod mZime sanaxavi iyo. racionalurSi namdvilad ar eteoda.
iracionalur efeqts qmnida.
raRac gaugebari xidze mdgomi axali favoriti qalbatonis moSiSvlebuli zurgis fonze viTardeboda moqmedeba. mokled, xiCkokis filmSi megona
Tavi. Zalian mZime STabeWdileba moaxdina Cemze, vin xedavda
amaSi zeims, ver gavige. xuTi
wuTi ukomentaro reJimSi gaCvenebdnen raRac Zalian ucnaur
kadrebs, ras niSnavda es yvelaferi? gaugebaria...
_ iqneb Seqmnes suraTi, rom
samegrelo mxars uWers saakaSvilis xelisuflebas?
_ aseT suraTebs gvTavazoben yoveldRiurad. erTia ras
vuyurebT Cven televiiziT da
meore-ra xdeba realurad. am
or `realobas~ Soris, sakmaod
didi sxvaobaa.
_ Tumca varaudoben, rom am
viTarebas, sabolood, mainc
mohyveba xalxis stiqiuri gamosvla
_ bunebrivia. Tumca RmerTma ar hqnas, rom aqamde mivideT.
Tu stiqiuri procesebi daiwyo,
prognozireba Zalian rTuli
iqneba. es aris yvelaze cudi
scenari, rac SeiZleba moxdes
qveyanaSi. Tumca stiqiuri saprotesto gamosvlebis saSiSroeba namdvilad arsebobs.
naTia nodia
18 saerTo gazeTi
ramdenime xnis win `saerTo
gazeTSi~ daibeWda interviu mamuka areSiZesTan. interviuSi batoni areSiZe ar meTanxmeba zogierT
principul sakiTxSi, rac me gamovTqvi `saerTo gazeTSi~ gamoqveynebul werilSi.
msurs mkiTxveli darwmunebuli iyos imaSi, rom rasac vwer,
vwer yovelgvari Selamazebis gareSe yvelafers ise, rac iyo da
rogorc iyo, vaxseneb im adamianebis saxelebsa da gvarebs, romlebic dRes cocxlebi arian da im
faqtebis TviTmxilveli brZandebian. amitom Tu vinmes eWvi raimeSi Seepareba, SeuZliaT, rogorc
areSiZes, ise sxvebs, gadaamowmon
yvelaferi.
mamuka areSiZe dalaparakebia
pankisis xeobaSi Camosul ruslan
gilaevis biWebs da maTgan miuRia
informacia, TiTqos soxumSi omSi
monawileobas iRebda 500-mde CeCeni. me yvelgan vambob da vwer _
iyo 83.
unda giTxraT, rom gamoviare
inguSeT-oseTis, afxazeTisa da
CeCneTis ori omi, rom ityvian,
gaviare omis mkacri gakveTilebi.
oms Tavisi specifika aqvs, moxalise _`dobrovolci~, romelic
midis omSi, man kargad icis, sad
midis da iqedan cocxali SeiZleba ar dabrundes. (cxadia, `morodiorebze~ ar vlaparakob).
mogexsenebaT,
moxaliseebis
aRricxva xdeba Tavdacvis StabSi.
kamandiri agzavnis maT davalebebze. Tu raime SeemTxva, an kargad
ioma, xom unda moxdes misi wardgena jildoze, Tu maTi poziciebi daibomba da ar gadarCa aravin,
unda hqondes formaze niSani, rom
daadginon momxre da mowinaaRmdege. Tu araa ayvanili StabSi aRricxvaze, ar icnobs aravin, mere
ra, CeCenia Tu koreeli, agentad
da Semogzavnilad iTvleba.
afxazeTSi mec davdiodi. myavda dacvac. CemsaviT bevri Cadioda iq, magram es ar niSnavs, TiTqos iq saomrad viyavi.
rodesac omi damTavrda, `dobrovolcebs~ Sexvedra mouwyves
nalCikSi. es gadasca ruseTis televiziamac. diqtori acxadebda,
afxazeTSi 400-mde moxalise
iyoo. me sia mqonda nanaxi, sadac
453 adamiani iyo dafiqsirebuli.
erT ambavsac gavixseneb: soCidan soxumSi mivdiodiT. gudauTamde gagvaCeres _ win didi srolebia da ver waxvalTo. davbinavdiT sastumro `evpatoriaSi~ Tu
`armeniaSi~, sworad ar maxsovs.
iq iyvnen `dobrovolcebi~. rusi
xar-meTqi?- vkiTxe erTs. kazaki
varo, _ mpasuxobs, ramdeni xarTmeTqi, _ toCna ni magu skazat,
okolo 800 Celoveko. siaSi 790
ewera. danarCeni Tqven gansajeT.
iyo aseTi SemTxvevac: gudauTidan rom CamovfrindiT soxumis
aeroportSi, vxedavT, mohyavT 4
tyve. agineben, CeCnebi arian da axlave davxvritoTo...
wina dRiT gudauTaSi ukve nanaxi gvyavda saavadmyofoSi erTi
CeCeni korespondenti, romelsac
fexi daekarga soxumSi omis
dros, maga erqva, gvars ver vixseneb, man miTxra _ CeCnebidan arc
mkvdaria vinme, arc tyved Cavardnilio.
soxumSi CavediT. aris oromtriali. mivedi erT jariskacTan
da CeCnurad gamovelaparake. meubneba: `mi ne CeCenci, mi iz makopa~.
aeroportSi ki maRali, cali
fexiT koWli qarTveli generali
gavicani, romlis saxeli da gvari ar maxsovs. man miTxra _ banaki savse maqvs CeCeni tyveebiTo.
maSin valeri gabelia gabrazda da
uTxra: wamodi, maCvene, tyveebio,
amas specialurad ambob zviadis
winaaRmdego, generali gaiqca, saqme maqvs, moval da wagiyvanTo,
magram ar mosula.
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
maSin afxazeTis Tavdacvis ministri soslan sosalievi iyo. is
ar xelmZRvanelobda mTiel xalxTa konfederacias. konfederciis
armias meTaurobda basaevi. soxumSi rom gadmovida cxonebuli zviad gamsaxurdia, maSin Cavedi me
masTan. mokiTxvis Semdeg meubneba:
rogor momagenio? sosalievis
mZRolma momiyvana-meTqi. hoda,
areSiZe rom amtkicebs 48 CeCeni
daiRupao, Cemi informaciiT, 68
aris daRupuli. sastumroSi, sadac vcxovrobdiT, erT jariskacs
`limonka~ aufeTqda, 3 rusi, 2
CeCeni da sami afxazi daiRupa.
Znelia, aseT dros zusti informaciis gageba ramdeni, ratom, sad
daiRupa. me getyviT erTs _ joharma televiziiT mimarTa CeCen
xalxs _ nu gauSvebT Tqvens Svilebs omSio. im xanebSi groznosoxumis marSrutiT TviTmfrinavi
rodesac opoziciam da ruseTma mizans miaRwia da CeCneTSi mitingebi agorda, johari gamovida
mitingze da waikiTxa brZanebuleba, daiTxova ministrTa kabineti,
parlamenti, sakonstitucio sasamarTlo da ori TviT komendantis
saaTi gamoacxada. komendantad ki
hamzaT xonkarovi daniSna, romelic jer 20 wlisac iyo.
CeCneTSi ician da minda saqarTveloSic icodnen, Cven saqarTvelos mimarT gvqonda gegma.
areSiZe rom ambobs _ basaevi
iZaxda, Cven SevardnaZis faSistur reJims vebrZviT, Torem qarTvel xalxs ki arao, tye rom iWreba, nafotebi cvivao, gvinda yvelam icodes, me ar vamarTleb basaevs, magram vsvam kiTxvas _ iyo
Tu ara SevardnaZis reJimi faSisturi? gaixsenos areSiZem, ra
dReSi iyo maSin saqarTvelo, faSistebi Tavis xalxs ar ebrZvian. roca CeCnebi Cavidnen
soxumSi, maSin adgilobrivi
mosaxleoba ukve daZruli
iyo zugdidisken. omis dros
CeCneTSi adgilobriv mosaxleobas rusi Rorebic ar ebrZodnen, Tu mTvralebi ar
iyvnen, areSiZis laparakidan
gamodis, rom soxumSi `mxedrionelebi~ iyvnen qarTvelebi da adgilobrivi mosaxleoba araqarTvelebi.
rogorc
gamsaxurdias
hqonda pliusi da minusi,
aseve SevardnaZesaco, _ ambobs areSiZe. SevardnaZis
pliusi me jer ar gamigonia,
gamsaxurdias minusad is Tu
brazdi da vuTxari, saerTod ar
minda Seni gacnoba, saqme ara maqvs
SenTan, radgan Sen unda ijde cixeSi, an daxvretili unda iyomeTqi. erTi adamianic ar myavs
moklulio. maSin vuTxari _ wadi
zugdidSi, moagrove xalxi, daufice da daarwmune isini, rom
adamianis sisxlSi wili ara gaqvs-meTqi. is kaci dRes elCia.
axla minda vkiTxo mamuka areSiZes _ eqspertsa da politikoss
_ bolos da bolos asamarTlebT
Tu ara SevardnaZes? egvipteSi
hosni mubaraqs loginiT aTreven
sasamarTloSi, ar mainteresebs,
ra hqnes CileSi, inglisSi an koreaSi. dResac basaevi xom ar xocavs qarTvelebs rusTavelis
prospeqtze?
roca areSiZe Tavs debs politikosobaze, kavkasiis sakiTxebSi
eqspertobaze da ambobs, aslan
masxadovis Semdeg prezidentoba
Tavis Tavze doku umarovma
aiRoo, mere gauqma iCqeriis konstitucia da Seqmna kavkasiis emiratio.
_ dokus Tavi prezidentad ar
gamoucxadebia. saidulaevmac da
doqumac ician, rom prezidents
eri irCevs da tye-RreSi prezidentebi ar iniSnebian. meore, mas
konstitucia ar gauuqmebia, arc
iCqeriis deputatebi Seukrebia,
ar uTqvams konstituciis moqmedeba SeaCereT, an saerTod gaauqmeTo, rogorc es TbilisSi gaakeTes.
areSiZe brals mdebs islamis
mimdevrebs saqarTvelos taxti ar
gauuqmebiaTo. me miweria, samefo
minda vkiTxo mamuka areSiZes _
bolos da bolos asamarTlebT
Tu ara SevardnaZes?
ar dafrinavda, dacvas ver daayenebdi, rom soxumis mimarTulebiT
ar wasuliyvnen. ramdeni aeyvana
aRricxvaze CeCneTis Sss-s? Tu
hkiTxavdi, sad midioda, ityoda:
ruseTSi, saavadmyofoSi, anda naTesavTano.
roca saqarTveloSi SevardnaZis xelmZRvanelobiT antiCeCnuri
kampania agorda, CeCneTidan polkovniki
ibragim
suleimanovi
TviTmfrinaviT Cavida soxumSi
mebrZolebis Camosayvanad. meti ra
eqna johars? rac vici, imas vityvi _ roca moxaliseebi gaZeZgili
iaraRiT midiodnen, reidic rom
yofiliyo, verc avtoinspeqcia gaaCerebda da Tu gaaCerebdnen, maSinve uSvebdnen.
areSiZe ambobs, groznoSi, joharis kabinetSi me-12 sarTulze
sxva ganwyoba iyo, meoTxeze sxvao.
basaevi dapirispirebuli iyo
joharTan. amas qalbatoni ala
dudaevac ar uaryofs. johari situacias srulad ver akontrolebdao. magram dapirispireba es
ki ara, is iyo kitovani, ioseliani da sigua rom gamovidnen iaraRiT xelSi. axla basaevi raRacas
ityvis, es ar niSnavs yvelafers,
radgan Samil basaevis laparaks
qmedeba ar mohyolia. basaevi johars rom dapirispireboda, naxavda, ra baWiasac daiWerda, meorec,
mas CeCneTSi araviTari Tanamdeboba ar hqonia da asakiTac patara
iyo.
CeCneTis wiTeli inteligencia
maSin ijda moskovSi da ambobda,
ara axla daamxoben johars, ara _
axlao, CeCneTis apkomis erT-erTi
mdivani gilan maxauri, romelic
dedis mxridan menaTesaveba, biZaCems afrTxilebda_ CamoaSore Seni diswuli dudaevs, johars male daamxoben, yvelas daiWeren da
mere Seni diswulis gamosayvanad
CemTan moxvalo.
CaeTvleba, joharma rom uTxra
iaraRiT xalxs dagaxmaro da
uari rom SemouTvala, ase iyos.
maSin rom daemxo zviads SevardnaZis Zalaufleba, saqarTvelo dRes erTian organizmad iqneboda darCenili da mere rac undodaT, is eTqvaT cincaZeebs, Sengelaiebs, areSiZeebs da maTnairebs.
mikvirs, ratom aravin arafers
ambobs, roca SevardnaZe acxadebs,
rkinigzas ver vakontrolebdiTo.
porti foTSia da ara soxumSi,
somxebis tvirTis gamo Tu Seiyvana, maSin somxebic verafers Seitandnen makaronis da peCeniis
garda.
me erTi kvira vijeqi novrosiiskis
portSi
humanitaruli
tvirTiT, foTSi ar miSvebdnen,
soxumSi tvirTs ver vclidiT.
erT saxelmwifoSi sufraze
saqarTvelos konsuli gamecno.
rom gaigo Cemi saxeli da gvari,
meubneba _ me Tqven gicnobT saqarTvelodan. sad moRvaweobdiTmeTqi, `mxedrioneli~ viyavio. gav-
taxti ar gauuqmebiaT islamistebs da saqarTvelo guberniad ar
gamoucxadebiaT, rogorc es rusebma gaakeTes. minda vuTxra areSiZes _ Tu ainteresebs da iRebs
informacias, miiRos srulyofili
da ara ise, vinc win daxvdeba da
raimes etyvis.
cixesaSvili gaafTrebiT icavs
Tavis xalxs, magram ratomRac
mgonia, misi xalxi saqarTveloSic ariso, _ ambobs areSiZe.
_ me davibade da gavizade saqarTveloSi. rogorc miyvars da
vafaseb Cems xalxs, aseve vafaseb
da miyvars saqarTvelo da qarTveli xalxi. me bevri ram gavakeTe
saqarTvelosTvis, alali iyos da
dResac nebismiers Sevejibrebi saqarTvelos siyvarulSi. roca
uWirda qveyanas, viyavi zugdidSic, soxumSic. maSin anqvabs vTxove, oTxi qarTveli daWrili tyve
maCuqe-meTqi. isini gudauTidan soxumSi Caviyvane, gagania omSi 48
qarTuli ojaxi soCaSi gaviyvane.
soxumSi kardakar viare, yvela
Cems qarTvel megobars mivadeqi
saxlSi, rom davxmarebodi. guli
mwydeba axla, ltolvilebis gayvanis dros TviTmfrinavi rom Camovarda, ver gvafrTxile xalxi,
sxva gziT rom wasuliyvnen. maSin
Cemi megobris _ Tamaz ZimistaraSvilis qaliSvilic daiRupa...
sofel drandis macxovrebeli
qeTo siWinava yelze mexveoda da
mexveweboda, Svili momiZebneo.
ver movuZebne, cocxali ar iyo.
rom meTqva mkvdaria-meTqi, TviTonac mokvdeboda... ar vici, rogor
daiRupa Cemi yofili reqtoris
nodar amaRlobelis Svili. groznoSi Camosuli iyo aseve naira gelaSvili, is muSaobda gazeT `literaturul saqarTvelos~ korespondentad soxumSi, TviTon invalidi deda hyavda, loginad Cavardnili, dRemde ver davadgine
cocxlebi arian Tu ara. putCist
nairaze gelaSvilze ar maqvs saubari.
yvelafers vcdilobdi, rac
SemeZlo, ar vici, axla romeli
erTi gavixseno. konstantine ozganTan vcxovrobdi da is iZaxda:
maTe qarTvelebis agentia, Cvens
winaaRmdeg Semogzavnilio.
roca zviadis davalebiT molaparakebebs vawarmoebdiT, davayene afxazeTis statusis sakiTxi.
Cven, qarTulma mxarem, jemal gamaxariam, valeri gabeliam, loTi
qobaliam movilaparakeT: amasac
Cven _ zviadistebs (maSin modaSi
iyo es termini) dagvabraleben,
amitom xval an zeg TviTon dajdebian molaparakebis magidasTan
da jobs es sakiTxi SevardnaZis
mxarem daayenoso.
maSindel SevardnaZis televiziisTvis micemul interviuSi
specialurad vaxsene es sakiTxi.
dRevandel afxazeTis parlamentis deputats, sagareo saqmeTa
komitetis Tavmjdomares gadavekide: afxazeTSi dabadebul qarTvelebs unda misceT- meTqi pasportebi, amaze dadgenilebac ki unda
miiRos parlamentma-meTqi. miviRe
Tanxmoba. pasportebs mivcemT, unda Camovidnen, usafrTxoebis garantiac iqneba, Cven viciT, soxumis megruli mosaxleoba ar ibrZoda, instanciebia gasavlelio,
hkiTxos areSiZem xobis mkvidrs,
kavkasiis patriarqis _ nugzar
latarias Svils uCa latarias,
Tu es ase ar iyo. mere, roca me
damiwyo devna ruseTis xelisuflebam, saqarTvelos moqalaqeoba
moviTxove da uari miTxres...
magram davaneboT amas Tavi,
albaT, odesme davbrundebi. Tumca
unda giTxraT, rom 20 weliwadia
saqarTveloSi, Cems mSobliur
pankisis xeobaSi ar vyofilvar.
axla roca areSiZe `mexq-qealze~
laparakobs ikargebao, vupasuxeb:
adaTobrivi samarTali `mexq-qeali~ sxva ramea da religia _
sxva. Tu pankisis xeobaSi gaqreba
adaTobrivi samarTali, es niSnavs,
rom qistebic gaqrnen.
rac Seexeba imas, saqarTveloSi cixesaSvilze bevrad ukeTesi
yuranistebi gvyavso. es Zalian
kargia, me ar vdeb Tavs yuranistobaze. Tumca rogorc yurans,
aseve bibliasac vicnob kargad.
ratom aris areSiZe winaaRmdegi CerqezTa genocidis aRiarebis da larsis punqtis gaxsnis,
amaze mere. Tu areSiZisnair eqspertebs da politikosebs mousmenen saqarTveloSi, is gza ar gagrZeldeba da CixSi Seva, magram
Cveni gza, es aris kavkasielTa
gza, romelsac aqvs orive mxare,
rogorc midis, aseve modis. areSiZes ki Sevaxsenebdi ronald
reiganis sityvebs: Cven miwaze
vcxovrobT,
rom
vemsaxuroT
xalxs, ende, magram gadaamowme.
maTe cixesaSvili,
CeCneTis respublika iCqeriis
mTavrobis wevri.
saerTo gazeTi 19
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
saakaSvilis dilemidan eqqskluziurad gvesaubreba monarqqistul-kkonservatiuli partiis
Tavmjdomare, parlamentis yofili wevri, wminda mefis solomon II-iis TurqqeTidan saqqarTveloSi Camosvenebis organizatori, 9 Svilis mama da 8 SviliSvilis babua, politpatimari
Temur JorJoliani, romelic 2006 wlis seqqtembers xelisuflebis SeiaraR
Rebli gziT
damxobis mizniT mowyobili SeTqmulebis SeTiTxnili braldebiT daakaves.
_ xelisufleba imiT apelirebs, rom 200 weli ruseTma
tyveobaSi gvamyofa... gana, ruseTis gavlenis sferodan gamosvla umsxverplod SesaZlebelia?
_ bolosdabolos, Cven unda
gaviazroT, rom sabWoTa imperiis dangreviT Cveni samSoblos
ganviTarebis erTi etapi dasrulda da daiwyo meore, qarTuli saxelmwifos aRmSeneblobis
etapi, romelic ruseTTan keTilmezoblobis gareSe muxruWdeba. ruseTi da germania erTmaneTs ebrZodnen, magram dRes
partniorebi arian, aseve aSS da
iaponia, imis miuxedavad, rom
aSS-m iq atomuri bombebi Cayara.
politika emociebiT, populisturi da isteriuli gancxadebebiT ar keTdeba. saxelmwifosTvis ar arsebobs mudmivi mtrebi
da mudmivi megobrebi. arsebobs
pragmatuli politikuri interesebi, rac guSindel mterTan
pragmatul partniorul urTierTobas ar gamoricxavs!
_ Tqven aSS-T
Tan SedarebiT,
ruseTTan partniorobas aniWebT
upiratesobas... ki magram, am SemTxvevaSi xom aSS-d
dan miRebul
dividendebze uaris Tqma mogviwevs?
_ da, ras gvaZlevs aSS? natoSi Sesvla da dacvis garantiebi? _ xom ukve cxadia, rom
aSS ruseTis poziciis gaTvaliswinebiT, natoSi aRar migviRebs, xolo agvistos omma dagvanaxa, rom aSS ver gaxda Cveni
teritoriuli mTlianobis garanti. amerikuli cxovrebis wesi? _ samwuxarod, amerikelebi
qarTvelebs
mesamexarisxovan
xalxad migviCneven, romlis perspeqtivas momsaxure personalad
gardaqmnaSi xedaven. amitom, arc
ekonomikur aRmavlobaSi Segviwyoben xels... da saerTod raSi gvWirdeba 4 aTaswliani istoriisa da tradiciebis mqone
ers amerikuli cxovrebis wesi!
samxedro bazebi? _ nuTu erovnuli moZraoba rusis jaris gasayvanad imitom ibrZoda, isini
amerikuli an Turquli jariskacebiT Canacvlebuliyo?! sxvaTa-
Temur JorJoliani:
mivesalmebi, rom momavali
arCevnebi gamsaxurdias droindelma
uzenaesma sabWom Caataros!
Soris, iaponelebi ukve 66 welia, uSedegod cdiloben TavianTi teritoriebidan amerikuli
bazebis gayvanas. teritoriuli
mTlianoba? _ Tavs nu movityuebT! mas aqeT, rac aSS-s partniorad miviCnevT, ufro didi siswrafiT vkargavT teritoriebs,
vidre aqamde!
_ batono Temur, xelisuflebisadmi Tqveni damokidebuleba gasagebia... cixis gisosebidan
opoziciis saqmianobas rogor
afasebT?
_ xelisuflebis mzakvruli
kursis Sedegad jer kidev
mZlavroben da opoziciis niRbiT, xalxs Tvalis asaxvevad
moqmedeben Zalebi, romlebic an
mosyidulni arian, an kompromatebis qoniT Tu sxva berketebiT
xelisuflebisgan imarTebian, xelisuflebasTan unisonSi arian.
ubralod da martivad, isini
opoziciis SiSs da cariel adgils mxolod imisTvis ikaveben,
rom gadamwyvet momentSi xelisufleba xalxis risxvisgan gadaarCinon, bolo wlebSi aseTi
precedentis momswrenic ramdenjerme gavxdiT!
aris opoziciis meore nawilic, romelic marTlac mondomebulia, rom xelisufleba politikur mousavleTSi gaistumros, oRond mxolod im mizniT,
rom Tavad Caenacvlos da okeanisgaRmel patronebs saakaSvilis nacvlad Tavis Tavs sTavazobs im agresiuli kursis gasatareblad, romelsac dRevande-
li reJimi asrulebs.
_ am samwuxaro realobis
fonze, nuTu opoziciur speqtrSi ver xedavT Zalas, romelsac xalxi unda miendos da gahyves?
_ vfiqrob, rom nona gafrindaSvilis windgomiT, saxalxo
krebaSi gaerTianebul, aqamde gausvrel moRvaweebs, qarTveli
xalxisTvis pativsacem cnobil
tiuli saSualeba, romelic gavlenis sferoebisTvis aSS-Tan
mopaeqre mZlavr ruseTis saxelmwifosTan urTierTobis normalizaciaSi da ruseTis agresiis
dacxromaSi mdgomareobs. dRes
saqarTvelo im mdgomareobaSi ar
aris, rom ruseTis mZlavr imperias muStebi uqnios. WeSmariti
opozicia iqneba is, romelic interesebis gaTvaliswinebiT, aSSis vasalobisganac daixsnis saqarTvelos, radgan ruseTi arasodes Seegueba, rom saqarTvelodan nato-s raketebi daumiznon!
_ saarCevno garemos mowesrigebis ideas rogor afasebT?
SesaZlebelia Tu ara axlo momavalSi marTlac mosaxleobis
nebis gamomxatveli demokratiuli arCevnebis Catareba?
_ arsebuli xelisufleba
demokratiul arCevnebs ar Caatarebs, radgan kargad icis, rom
mosaxleoba mas mxars ar uWers.
aqve, mTeli pasuxismgeblobiT
vacxadeb, rom prezidenti zviad
gamsaxurdia da 1990 wlis 28
oqtombers WeSmaritad demokra-
rom am mimarTulebiT gancxadebebi ukve gaakeTes irina sariSvilma da irakli wereTelma. am
ideis mxardaWerisTvis yvela
WeSmarit erovnul-patriotul
Zalas movuwodeb da Cemi mxriv,
Tanadgomas vucxadeb!
_ batono Temur, politpatimrebi sakmaod momravldnen,
ramdenad kmayofili xarT politikuri speqtris mxridan Tanadgomis xarisxiT?
_ maxsendeba, erTxel zviad
gamsaxurdiam miTxra, komunistebis sapyrobiledan kulumbegaSvili unda gavaTavisufloTo. vkiTxe _ vin aris-meTqi?!
Cveni mitingebis da aqciebis monawileao. ramdenime aTasi kaci
SevikribeT, maSindel uzenaes
sabWosTan miliciis kordoni
gavarRvieT da politpatimris
gaTavisuflebis moTxovniT kibeebze davsxediT. Ramis 2 saaTze kulumbegaSvili sapatimrodan gamouSves da CvenTan moiyvanes! maSin zviads da erovnul
moZraobas principad gvqonda,
rom politpatimari xelisuflebisTvis ar dagvenebebina. yve-
adamianebs ndobis mandati jer
ar amouwuravT da gadamwyveti
brZolisaTvis sakmarisi inteleqtualuri resursic gaaCniaT,
Tumca, taqtikuri Secdomebisgan
isini ar arian dazRveulni. maT
Zalebi unda moikribon da sazogadoebis mobilizacia moaxerxon! xalxs unda SesTavazon ara
xelisuflebisa da masTan Sekruli cru opoziciis repertuari, aramed gadarCenis alterna-
tiuli arCevnebiT arCeuli uzenaesi sabWo arakanonieri gziT
iqna damxobili da misi Semdgomi yvela parlamenti aralegitimuri da ukanonoa! ra Tqma unda,
saqarTvelos istoriidan am
wlebs ver amovSliT, magram
sruliad SesaZleblad mimaCnia,
rom momavali arCevnebi zviad
gamsaxurdias droindelma legitimurma uzenaesma sabWom daniSnos da Caataros. mivesalmebi,
la dagegmili aqcia Cerdeboda
da mTeli aqcenti am mimarTulebiT gadioda. WeSmaritad
opoziciuri politikuri Zalebi am gamocdilebas Tu gaiziareben da politpatimrebis gaTavisuflebis moTxovniT gaerTiandebian, Sedegs aucileblad
miaRweven, rac, Tavis mxriv,
xalxis saboloo gamarjvebis
safuZveli gaxdeba.
beqa CxaiZe
pukaCma Jurnalist giorgi RonRaZis
mkvleloba aRiara
safrangeTSi saqarTvelos moqalaqem
policiis komisari gaqurda
yofili generalma aleqsei pukaCma
aRiara, rom Jurnalisti giorgi RonRaZe Tavad mokla, _ iuwyeba rusuli media. wyaros cnobiT, es gancxadeba miroslav RonRaZis advokatma valentina
toliCenkom sasamarTloSi pukaCis pirveli dakiTxvis Semdeg gaakeTa. `man
aRiara, rom RonRaZe Tavad mokla. igi amavdroulad amtkicebs, rom RonRaZeze gare dakvirveba kanonieri iyo.
pukaCi aseve aRiarebs danaSauls, romelic 2003 wels
RonRaZeze gare dakvirvebis amsaxveli dokumentebis ganadgurebas ukavSirdeba”, _ aRniSna valentina toliCenkom. amasTan, pukaCis gancxadebiT, dokumentebi ara man,
aramed misma xelqveiTebma SvebulebaSi misi yofnis dros
gaanadgures. “iqmneba STabeWdileba, rom pukaCi sakuTari Tavisagan briyvs qmnis”, — aRniSna advokatma. cnobisaTvis: pukaCis sasamarTlo peCoris sasamarTloSi daxurul reJimSi, presis daswrebis gareSe mimdinareobs.
saqarTvelosa da litvis moqalaqeebma, safrangeTis qalaq
blarengemSi policiis komisris
saxli gaqurdes.
franguli mediis cnobiT, policiam qurdebi maSin daakava,
rodesac isini komisris saxls
tovebdnen. dakavebulia qarTveli vasil k-ZZe, romelsac policiam karis boqlomis gasaRebi
specialuri teqnikuri mowyobiloba aRmouCina.
dakavebulebi danaSauls ar aRiareben da acxadeben,
rom saxlis kari Ria daxvdaT da saxlSi mxolod imitom Sevidnen, rom wyali daeliaT.
vasil k-ZZe qurdobis braldebiT, samarTaldamcavebma ukve 11-j
jer dakaves.
mas erTi wliT Tavisuflebis aRkveTa miesaja.
saburTalos raionis nawils
eleqtromomarageba droebiT SeezRudeba
qvesadgurSi “saburTalo-11” mkvebavi maRali Zabvis xazebze avariul-aaRdgeniTi samuSaoebis gamo 31
agvistos, 2, 6 da 9 seqtembers 13 saaTidan 15 saaTamde saburTalos raionis
nawils eleqtromomarageba
droebiT SeezRudeba.
eleqtromomarageba SeezRudeba: gamsaxurdias da yazbegis gamzirebis nawilis, mickeviCis, saburTalos, baxtrionis, fanaskertel-c
ciciSvilis, Ciqovanis, balanCivaZis, doliZis,
burZglas, cagarelis, sairmis, xviCias da mimdebare quCebis macxovreblebs.
saremonto samuSaoebis dasrulebis Semdeg abonetebs eleqtromomarageba aRudgeba.
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saerTod Cveni eklesiis funqcia Tu
isaa, rom moTminebiT da uxmod ucqiros namusgayidul erisgamyidvelTa mier eris gadaSenebas, me es ar mimaCnia RvTis
nebad! ufali Cveni ar yofila Zaladobis morCili!
aRar minda ase cxovrebis gagrZeleba Savs Savi unda daerqvas, TeTrs kidev
TeTri, Tavis motyueba ukve
ageraa-yelSi amovida da qveyanac imitom dadis ase acabacad, rom Tavs visulelebT
yvelani.tyuiliT Tu Tavs
motyuebiT, dogmebiT da SiSiT taZramde verasdros mixval! me ase mwams da ase mjera!
kexvis cixeze, Zelicxovlis eklesiaze, qurTis wminda
giorgis eklesiis
Tavze da sasaflaoze, samaCablos gadamwvar soflebSi
yovel Rame Cndeba naTeba,
romelic nel-nela TeTrebSi
Cacmuli qalis gamosaxulebas emsgavseba. romelic RamiT moTqmiT da Zalian xmamaRla tiris.
yvelgan erTdroulad tiris RvTismSobeli.Zalian bevrma adamianma naxa, maT
Soris Cemi nacnobebic arian,
ZiriTadi informacia cxinvalis mosaxleobisgan gamodis, maTve Tqves rom, wveriaxos cnobil mTaze rusebma
moxsnes saguSagoebi SiSis
gamo.
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xalxis azriT
TmaneTs miSiko da edika. ra
vici, amdens Tu ver xvdeba
benduqa, ra Wkviani gamodis
da Tu xvdeba da TvalSi nacars gvayris, maSin ras mouwodebs opozicias, viTom arCevnebiT rames Secvla SeiZlebides. an gvatyuebs, an ar
aris magi Wkviani kaci, an
orive erTad. )
rodesac opozicias
vlanZRavT, amiT xelisuflebis wisqvilze vasxamT wyals
da xel-fexs vuxsniT yovelgvari sisaZaglis Casadenad.
soba kai vakeli an vereli biWoba araa, an didi fuli iSova da miSas amiT mougebs. amis
magaliTebia
noRaideli,
burjanaZe,
oqruaSvili.
oligarqi arasdros xalxze
ar fiqrobs.saqarTveloSi
veluri kapitalizmi mZvinvarebs. xalxi ukiduresad gaWirvebulia, Cven gvinda WeSmaritad saxalxo Zala da
yvelas erT Zalad gaerTianeba. 50 wvril-wvrili opziciuri partia miSas, romelsac didi saxelmwifo resursi aqvs cal-calke verasdros ver daamarcxebs.
SemogvierTdi
ze
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Cveni xelisufleba
erTi ukiduresobidan meoreSi xSirad
vardeba. jer iyo da,
yvelaferi gaakeTa imisaTvis, rom somxuri eklesiis
guli moego, mere ki lamis
mtrad moikida azerbaijanelTa sulieri lideri. sabolood arc somxuri eklesia darCa kmayofili da
azerbaijanTanac urTierToba daiZaba. yvela nawyenia,
Cven ki veraferi movigeT. Seumowmebeli informaciiT,
axali axundi 11 weli ixdida
sasjels arcTu msubuqi danaSau¬lisTvis.
amiT saakaSvili guldamSvidebuli xdeba - opozicias
aravin airCevs, gindac gayalbebeli arCevnebi Cavataroo. piriqiT, xelisuflebas
is unda davanaxoT, rom gindac opozicia cudi iyos, mainc opozicias avirCevT. xelisuflebas mudam amis SiSi
unda hqondes. es cotaTi mainc daaokebs maT usazRvro
Tavgasulobas. Tu vityviT, arc es opozicia gvinda da
arc es xelisuflebao, - es
imas niSnavs rom xelisufleba ”gvinda” da mas vtovebT.
esaa realoba (Tundac samwuxaro).
kaxa benduqiZe: saqarTveloSi opoziciuri partiac ki ar
arsebobs -opoziciuri partiebi ar arseboben
avtoritarul da totalitarul qveynebSi. benduqiZes
hgonia, rom kargi rame
Tqva?Tavgasiebuli.gamodis,
rom bendus marTla gonia,
rom miSikom moawyo marTla
revolucia da ara edikam moawyo speqtakli, rom miSiko
daetovebina da arCevnebSi
gaemarjva. edikas wasvla undoda ise, rom ar dasjiliyo
da Tavisi kaci unda daetovebina, vinc ar dasjida. Tan
yvelaferi rom naturaluri
gvgonebioda cota gaamwares
maSin miSiko, rom naturalurad eyvira, mara mere mixvda
da madlieri miSiko buzs ar
ufren edikas. Tumca xandaxan sityvierad ise, piarisaTvis ki galanZRaven xolme er-
me vgulisxmob im opziciur Zalas, romelic xalxze da qveyanaze fiqrobs da
ara Tavis Tavze. gaixseneT
2007 weli, faqtiurad mogebuli saqme Caabares miSas.
ucbad 7 opoziciuri kandidati gamocxva saprezidento. gaerTianeba ver moxerxda da dRemde ver xerxdeba.
xalxi arafer SuaSia, xalxi
daabnies. me im lideris ar
mjera, weliwadSi 6 Tve revoluciisken rom mogiwodebs
da meore 6 Tve miSasTan molaparakebaze jdeba saarCevno garemos gasaumjobeseblad. ramdenjer wavidnen molaparakebaze da daTmobaze?
jer meubnebi, rom mkvlelia,
diqtatoria, banditia da mere marwmuneb, rom masTan molaparakebiT miaRwev mizans.
politika emociebze gaTvlili nabijebi araa, politiko-
gaxsovT 300000 kaci
ipodromze rom gagvyines? ratom? imitom, rom miSas inauguracia Caetarebina wynarad. amdenive salocavad rom
waiyvanes dinamodan. ratom?
esec Cawyobili yofila. nawili Cveni opoziciuri liderebisa amerikaSi darbis da iq
eficebian erTgulebas. eubnebian miSa cudia da erTi naxe, me rogori kargi varo. nawili ki ruseTSi darbis da iq
awyoben saqmes _ damexmare
gamarjvebaSi da naxe, ra biWi
viqnebio. xalxze vin fiqrobs? xalxi daibna. 21–e saukunea , dRes rogor ginda kaci moatyuo. iq viRacas lideri qvia, Torem aTjer meti inteleqtualebi quCaSi dadian
ubralod. lideri weliwadSi
sam partias, rom gamoicvlis
es saqmea? es imas niSnavs, rom
politikuri platmorma ar
aqvs da vis matarebelSi Caxtes, imas cdilobs. Cven xalxis gamocvla ki ar gvinda,
xalxi igivea, xalxis darwmuneba gvinda, rom swor gzaze
mivdivarT. es axalma liderma unda gaakeTos, Tanac memarcxenem da ara fulebiT
gaberilma neoliberalebma.
drosTan erTad sul
ufro araadekvaturi mixeil saakaSvilis (realur cxovrebaSi mamis xaziT – saakovi)
mier rusebis, rogorc “monRoloidi barbarosebis” misamarTiT gakeTebuli cnobi-
li gamonaTqvamebi komentaris gareSe darCa oficialuri moskovis mxridan. -es imis
dasturia,
rom
”òîâàðèù
ñààêîâ” ruseTis kacia ! albaT, yvelani xvdebiT , rom
misi dasavluri orientacia
farsia ! saakovi aris ”suk”-is
gamozrdili jaSuSi ! rasac
is akeTebs ara Secdomebia ,
aramed danaSauli da ruseTis davaleba .
iqneb cota meti gonebaa saWiro? me Tu
qristianulad
cxovreba minda,vin
miSlis xels???? iqneb sakuTari umoqmedobis gasamarTlebel
mizezebs
veZebT..Turme risi brali yofila,rom ver verTiandebiT..patriarqis brali yofila Turme,is ar wmends eklesias da amitom..Cven ra SuaSi
varT,patriarqi ar wmends eklesias...kargad gaerkves yvela sakuTar TavSi..eg azri
didi xnis analizis Sedegad
mogvivida,Tu Semoagdo viRacam...Cven kargebi varT,eklesia ar aris gawmendili
Turme...iqac zustad im sazogadoeba rac gareT,magram
Tu sasuliero piri scodavs,asmagad moekiTxeba...Tu
romelime mamaosagan gasawmendia eklesia,jer erTi Tu
amdeni
iciT-CamoTvaleT,
romlebisganaa gasawmendi,
kompetenturebi xarT mag sakiTxSi? bolosdabolos gadadiT sxva moZRvarTan da
datoveT eulad... magaze meti gawmenda ra ginda?
eh, ra dro iyo, gia
nodias ena rom ebmeboda,
samagierod
tvini uWrida da namuss SampuniT ar recxavda?!!!
naxevari kaxeTi wyalma waiRo da tipi
anakliaSi
irujeba!aba, ra gvinda kaxeTi gairujos da miSa waiRos wyalma?
axlovdeba mgoni gaTavisufleba. :) masonebis mier aSenebul vaSingtonSi, sadac miwisZvra arasodes yofila, 6 baliani ryeva dafiqsrida dRes. ) sxvaTa Soris es
daemTxva mag ujiSoebis mier
liviisaTvis damoukideblobis warTmevas. kak raz dRes
vfiqrobdi, RmerTi ar apatiebs-Tqo amxela borotebas
qsenofobia Tu marto somxebze vrceldeboda
da
sxva
erovnebebs ar moicavda, ki ar vicodi, gavige
axla da mecodineba, rom zangebis, monRolebis, TaTre-
bis, ebraelebis da kidev saerTod yvelas siZulvivliT
moxsenieba SesaZlebeli yofila, garda somxisa. Tanac
zangi rom negroiduli rasaa
da monRoli ki monRoloiduri da qsenofobia iqiT iyos,
rasizmicaa, amasac ra uSavs.
mTavaria, kargad davimaxsovroT, rom qsenofobia SerCeviTia da udris mxolod armenofobias, sxva vinc ginda
lanZReeeeee.
ase mgonia, ieso
dRes rom mosuliyo,
araferi gamovidoda - televiziebi
hedlainebSi raRac idiotobas gamoitandnen da yvelafers miCqmalavdnen, miaCumaTebdnen da jvarcmis ambavi
ubralod veRar gavrceldeboda, gaqreboda. yvelaze
mTavarma, uZalo Zalam, uangaro Tavganwirvamac dakarga dRes azri. Tu vcdebi? neta, vcdebode :)
qristes jvarcma yoveldRe xdeba da yoveldRe Cqmalaven
amas.. aqamde ver mixvdiT.. xalxi itanjeba, SimSiliT, umuSevrobiT, avadmyofobiT,
umedikamentobiT,
upatronobiT, miusafrobiT,
am xalxSia qriste.. es xalxic
Tavis jvars atarebs! es xalxic itanjeba, es xalxic
jvarcmulia! da am jvarcmas
vin aSuqebs dRes? aravin!((
yvelas hkidia xalxi!
is, rac anakliaSi
xdeboda xelisuflebis mier, yvela
zRvars
cildeba.omidan sami wlis Tavze
ras zeimoben an Tavad an is
xalxi, vinc xelebs ukocnida
teritoriebis
damkargav
mTavarsardals?!...afxazeTi
Caanacvles anakliiT da ra
vqnaT axla ,,davkraT buki da
naRara” ?ras zeimoben gagvagebinon mainc...,,monRoluri
warmonaqmnebi da kolxuri
evropa...”genialuria:–)))),giJi miuSvi nebasa...
ox, neta saakaSvili
manaxva meriaSi, socialurad daucvelTa sabuTis aRebis
momlodineTa rigSi mdgari!
23 noembers mTeli
saqarTvelos gareT
gamosvliT CavuSxamoT nacionalebs TavianTi xelisuflebis uzurpaciis ukve vin icis meramdene wlisTavi da iseTi aqcia gavakeToT, romelSc politikosebi da vaiopozicionrebi
ver ixeireben. araviTari mitingebi, mxolod mdumare
xalxis jaWvi xelixelCakidebulni,
transparantebiT
xelSi – Rorebis revolucia
da Rorisa da vardis suraTebiT. rogori ideaa?
magaT Zeglebis gadatanas
daanebon
Tavi da me Svilebic
damidgamen Zegls,
Tu davimsaxureb... Tumca
`igulava~ kanonis gamocemas
apirebs Turme, rom yvela
”spiCkis karobkaSi”.
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#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
ukve didi xania, rusul internetsaitebze didi adgili
aqvs daTmobili mkurnali da
naTelmxilveli vinme tatiana
voroSilovas winaswarmetyvelebas, romlis mixedviTac saqarTvelos prezidents mixeil
saakaSvils axlo momavalSi
sikvdili elis. tatiana voroSilovas xalxSi altael vangas uwodeben. misi avtoritetis asamaRleblad iqve miniSnebulia, rom man msaxiobi
aleqsandre abdulovis sikvdilis zusti mizezi da iaraRi
daasaxela mis gardacvalebamde
cota xniT adre.
eTikuri mosazrebebis gamo
ar qveyndeba informacia saqarTvelos prezidentis sikvdilis zusti TariRis Sesaxeb.
magram aRniSnulia, rom mas
sisxliani SurisZieba aRuTqves
kapitan plievis naTesavebma,
romelic 2008 wels qarTulosuri konfliqtis dros qarTvelma meomrebma mokles. vangam es winaswarmetyveleba gamoaqveyna agvistos omidan meormoce dRes.
`adamianTa wyevlam uwia _
ganacxada naTelmxilvelma, _
RmerTs mis Tavs zemoT damok-
les maxvili aqvs aRmarTuli,
veravin SeZlebs Svelas...~ voroSilovam qarTvel prezidents mZime Wrilobisgan sikvdili uwinaswarmetyvela. Wrilobas masze Tavdasxmis dros
miiRebs. mkurnal-naTelmxilveli Segvaxsenebs, rom saakaSvils ver itans misi garemocva. _ adamianTa wyevla eweva,
RmerTo, ramdeni dabadebuli
da daubadebeli udanaSaulo
bavSvebis, dedebis, mamebis da
Zmebis codvaa mis sindisze...
sikvdili gverdiT udgas, _ agrZelebs voroSilova, ar aq-
emsxverpla, vTqviT, rom saqarTveloSi, regionebSi iqneba
wyaldidobebi da miwisZvrac,
moxda, miwisZvra ramdenime
dRis win, wyaldidobebic iyo
da aris dRemde. es yvelaferi
weria Cvens interviuebSi.
me gubnebodiT da vimeoreb:
mixeil saakaSvils ar moklaven da amgvar gancxadebas
nurc miaqevT yuradRebas. aseTi masalebi internetSi gaxlavT ruseTis patara xrikebi,
rac mimarTulia didi panikis
gamosawvevad, raTa viRacam yuradReba gadaitanos sxva rameze, Cemi winaswarmetyveleba
aris amgvari da me isev da
isev daviwyeb imiT, rom didi
madloba rom yvelganaa ganaTeba, Suqi, gazi, Sadrevnebi, galamazebuli fasadebi, magram
xalxs gauCnda SiSisa da protestis grZnoba. seqtember-oqtomberSi aucileblad isev
iqneba gamosvlebi da am gamosvlebs uxelmZRvanelebs sul
sxva lideri da ara vinme CvenTvis ukve kargad nacnobi saxeebidan.
sazogadoebisTvis
cnobili opozicia verafrs
ver izams, radgan xalxi aRar
dadgeba maT gverdiT. axali
ri qurdoba. amazec didi madloba, magram Tu mSieri xalxi aRdga, ver damSviddeba.
rac Seexeba prezidents, 2013
wlamde garantirebuli aqvs
yofna.
_ anu, naTqvamidan gamominare xalxi gamova konkretuli
socialuri moTxovnebiT, rac
Sexeba axal liders, saidan
mova, politikuri Tu biznesmenTa speqtridan?
_ xalxidan iqneba, xalxs
gamoeyofa es lideri. aqamde
yvelas TavSi hqonda gadatrialeba-gadadgoma. agordeba saprotesto talRa. ukve gaCnda
fraza `nagavi wers~, anu eleqtronergias aRar axseneben, es
Zalian cudi niSania. qveyana
wyals miaqvs gamomdinare yvelafer aqedan, gadadgoma-gadmodgomaze ki ar iqneba laparaki, aramed socialuri pirobebis gaumjobesebaze.
_ xom ar moxdeba areuloba, Setakeba, sisxlisRvra?
_ ara. iqneba mitingebi, gamosvlebi, mere daiSlebian da
wavlen saxlebSi. roca mova
arCevnebis dro, Segrovdeba is
xalxi, vinc ar miscems xmas
saakaSvils da iqneba adamianTa
didi raodenoba, isini Seecdebian daanaxon msoflios, rom
aq ara demokratia, aramed diqtaturaa.
_ isev davubrundeT altais vangas. sulac gamogonili
pirovneba xom ar aris?
_ ara, ar gaxlavT gamogonili pirovneba. cnobilia, rogorc winaswarmetyveli, uyvars aJiotaJi, sensaciebi, bumi. ruseTis mTavrobis Sekve-
saxe waiyvans saxalxo moZraobas. es yvelaferi gamoixateba
SemdegSi: iqneba moTxovnebi
ara imisa, rom es gadadges, is
avirCioT, an amerika wavides,
ruseTi Semovides, an nato
gvinda Tu ar gvinda, aramed
iqneba protesti socialurcxovrebiseuli pirobebidan
gamomdinare. xalxSi gaaRviZeben revoluciur instinqts,
es ar moxdeba im SemTxvevaSi,
Tu gaiafdeba deni, gazi, wyali, maSin umravlesobas aRar
daainteresebs saerTod vinaa
xelisuflebaSi. aRaraa masiu-
TiT bevr rameze wava. ki aris
naTelmxilveli, magram naTelmxilvelebi ra, ar iyidebian?
mieci fuli an daibare Sinagan
saqmeTa saministroSi da rac
ginda, imas dagiwers. vimeoreb:
fizikuri saSiSroeba saakaSvils ar emuqreba, misi safrTxe gaxlavT is, rom daiwyeba
saxalxo moZraoba. radgan ruseTi vaxseneT, vityvi imasac,
rom iq isev modis putinizacia
da Tu prezidentis postze
dabrunda, aq oms aucileblad
gaaCaRebs.
Tamuna qadagiZe
altaeli vanga:
vxedav,saakaSvilze
male Tavdasxma moxdeba
cevs ra yuradRebas mimqral
sanTels, vxedav, sul male
Tavdasxma elis, vxedav Wrilobebi sasikvdilo aRmoCndeba,
magram maSinve ar mokvdeba... 10
Tvis ganmavlobaSi gagrZeldeba
wameba, mokvdeba neli, mtanjveli sikvdiliT... Tavis garemocvasac sZuls! _ ganagrZobs
mkurnali, _ maT Soris, vinc
mis gverdiTaa, mxolod erT
adamians vxedav, romelsac qva
ar aqvs amoCrili. zustad es
adamiani gaiyvans mas Tavdasxmis Semdeg sxva qveyanaSi da
sivdilis Semdeg gvams gadamalavs. mis gvamTan ki bevri moindomebs miaxloebas, magram
ara imisTvis, rom itiron, aramed aaglijon xorci da yor-
baTumSi mokluli 18 wlis
giorgi laliaSvilis mklvelobaSi
braldebuli daakaves
samarTladamcavebma baTumis
bulvarSi mokluli, kavSiri
qarTuli sabrZolo xelovnebis “Savfarosnebis” 18 wlis
wevris giorgi laliaSvilis
mkvlelobaSi braldebuli daakaves. Sss-ss informaciiT, 23
agvistos momxdar mkvlelobaSi
braldebuli,
1989 wels dabadebuli levan ninuaa. aRniSnulma
pirovnebam 6 maisis saxelobis parkis mimdebare
teritoriaze urTierTSelaparakebis niadagze, danis gamoyenebiT, Semavali Wriloba miayena 1993
w.d. giorgi laliaSvils, romelic saavadmyofoSi
miyvanisTanave gardaicvala. Sss-ss cnobiT, levan
ninua aRiarebs mis mier Cadenil danaSauls. gamoZieba mimdinareobs
saqarTvelos ssk-iis 108
muxlic, rac 7-d
dan 15 wlamde vadiT Tavisuflebis aRkveTas iTvaliswinebs. aRsaniSnavia, rom giorgi laliaSvili wels studenti unda gamxdariyo. erTian erovnul gamocdebze maRali qulebi
miiRo da dafinansebac moipova.
nebs esrolon SesaWmelad...
yvela misi ubedureba yovlisSTanmTqmeli sixarbisgan modis! _ oxravs tatiana vasilievna. Zalauflebis survilma
didi xania daatyveva misi suli. misma gulma arasodes icoda, raa siyvaruli! siyvaruli
samSoblosadmi, axlobeli adamianebisadmi da Tanamemamuleebisadmi, es misTvis ucxoa, yvelaze saSineli is gaxlavT,
rom misi namoqmedaris gamo pasuxisgeba mouwevT mis Svilebsac. codvebis monaniebac rom
moindomos, ukve Zalian gviania.
daRupulTa sisxlic mis sindiszea... RmerTsa da misi SurisZiebis maxvilze maRla araferi dgas!~
altais vangas winaswarmetvelebis gacnobis Semdeg komentari vTxovveT naTelmxilvvels,
qalbaton ana lenormans.
_ me pirdapir geubnebiT, ar
maqvs bevri informacia tatiana voroSilovas Sesaxeb, magram amdeni welia winaswarmetveli var da Cemi sityva yovelTvis sruldeba. aRvniSne,
rom msoflio masStabis bevr
qveyanaSi iqneboda gamosvlebi
prezidentebis winaaRmdeg, moxdeboda teroristuli aqtebi,
iseT adgilebSi, sadac aravin
elis, ager, batono norvegiaSi
moxda da qarTveli gogonac
kaxeTSi yurZens jer arcerTi Rvinis
qarxana ar ibarebs
kaxeTSi yurZens jer arcerTi Rvinis qarxana ar ibarebs, _ iuwyeba kaxeTis sainformacio centri. rTvelis
sakoordinacio Stabis ufrosis tariel gabunias TqmiT, vidre saferavis jiSis
yurZenSi Saqrianoba 20 graduss ar miaRwevs,
Rvinis kompaniebi yurZens ar Caibareben. „axlac
dedofliswyaros raionSi varT, magram yurZenSi
Saqrianoba jer dabalia. wvimebi iyo da ver damwifda. rogorc ki Saqrianoba 20 graduss miaRwevs, Rvinis qarxnebSi yurZnis miReba daiwyeba“,
- aRniSna gabuniam. rTvelis sakoordinacio Stabi gurjaanSi 25 agvistos gaixsna. Stabis cxeli xazis nomrebia: 591 22 10 78; 591 22 10 79.
winaswari monacemebiT, wels regionSi sul
113 506 tona yurZnis mosavalia mosalodneli.
aqedan 82 179 tona rqawiTelia, 26 236,5 tona
saferavi da 5 090,5 tona sxvadasxva jiSis yurZeni, maT Soris hibriduli.
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didi vnebaTaRelva gamoiwvia saqarTvelos samoqalaqo kodeqsSi Setanilma
cvlilebam _ “religiuri gaerTianebebisaTvis sajaro samarTlis iuridiuli
piris statusis miniWebis Sesaxeb” da
mis garSemo ganviTarebulma movlenebma.
am movlenebma zustad asaxa qarTul sazogadoebaSi arsebuli viTareba, romelic Rrma analizs saWiroebs da seriozuli daskvnebis gakeTebis saSualebas
iZleva.
manve daadastura kidev erTxel, rom saqarTvelosa da misi eklesiis garSemo axali Semotevis Savi
Rrublebi ikribeba.
saqarTvelos mmarTvelma reJimma kidev erTxel aCvena Tavisi antisaxelmwifoebrivi da antiqarTuli buneba, roca
gadadga xsenebuli nabiji saqarTvelos
saxelmwifo cxovrebaSi saqarTvelos
samociqulo eklesiis SemoqmedebiTi
monawileobis SesaZleblobaTa SekvecisaTvis. arc Tu Rrmad SeniRbulma
`qarTvelma~ mebrZolma aTeistebma win
wawies Tavisi mravali wlis survilis
aRsrulebis saqme _mmorigi pirdapiri
ieriSi miitanes da laxvari Casces qarTuli saxelmwifoebriobis safuZvlebs
da qarTveli xalxis interesebs (CaTvales, rom axla saukeTeso droa amisTvis). saqarTvelos xelisufleba agrZelebs qmedebas saqarTvelos daSla-daqucmacebis mimarTulebiT da yvelafers
akeTebs imisaTvis, rom erTiani Zlieri
saqarTvelo ar Sedges, rom erTiani
qarTuli cnobiereba moiryes.
saqarTvelos mmarTvelTa aRniSnuli qmedeba_parlamentisac da prezidentisac _ metyvelebs, erTi mxriv, maTi
horizontis yovlad dauSvebel siviwroveze, romelic maT saSualebas ar
aZlevs, saqarTvelos dRevandeli dRe
dainaxon ara mxolod rogorc erTerTi
ubani dRevandeli msoflio sistemisa,
aramed agreTve rogorc erTerTi etapi
(amave dros _uaRresad sapasuxismgeblo
etapi) saqarTvelos warsuli da momavali istoriisa. amave dros igi metyvelebs maT upasuxismgeblobaze da erisa
da saxelmwifosadmi erTgulebis deficitze.
xelisuflebis diqtatorul saxes
warmoaCens aRniSnuli
mniSvnelovani
gadawyvetilebis miRebac qurdulad,
diskusiisa da saerTo erovnuli konsesusis gareSe, zafxulis riggareSe sesiaze, daCqarebuli wesiT, raTa yoveldRiur problemebSi CaZirulma qarTvelma erma (es problemebi xelisuflebam Segnebulad Tavs moaxvia xalxs) ver
SeZlos saTanado reagireba.
es mxolod religiuri an umciresobis uflebebis dacvis an, miT umetes,
sufTa `administraciul-samarTlebrivi~
Tema ar gaxlavT. misi am aspeqtSi _
”tolerantobis” mogonili problemis
aspeqtSi _ warmoCena miznad isaxavs,
miiCqmalos istoriul-kulturuli Zeglebis kuTvnilebis Tema, saxelmwifoebrivi usafrTxoebis fundamentaluri momentebi, saqarTvelos geostrategiuli
da, aseve, regionSi misi funqciisa da
rolis mniSvnelobis problematika.
unda SevTanxmdeT, rom cxovreba ar
aris sxvadasxva dReebis meqanikuri jami da politika ar ar aris sxvadasxva
gadawyvetilebebis meqanikuri jami. es
aris mudmivi procesi. xelisuflebam
Tavis praqtikaSi aiRo iaraRad, ase
vTqvaT, mcire muxtebiT afeTqebis Teoria. aRar akeTebs imas, rom msxvili
muxtebiT ganagrZos afeTqeba, imitom,
rom ukve eSinia, isedac myifea misi Zalaufleba. amitom gadavida mcire muxtebze. ras vgulisxmobT: SevadaroT
larsis sasazRvro gamSvebi punqtis gaxsnas. Tavidan gamoacxada, rom mxoloddamxolod satvirTo manqanebisTvis gaixsna, esec _somxeTis mxardasaWerad da
fizikuri pirebi iq ver gadmovidodnen;
Semdeg gamoacxada, “rogor, Cven Crdilokavkasiel Zmebs ar unda gavuxsnaT
sazRvari?” da sazRvari mxolod ruseTis moqalaqe CrdilokavkasielTaTvis
gaixsna. sul raRac sami kviris win, ai,
am aJiotaJis dros (naxevarma saqarTvelom rom ver gaigo), ise gaxsna yvelasTvis larsis sabaJo gamSvebi punqti. e.i.
xelisuflebas survili hqonda larsis
sabaJo gamSvebi punqti yvelasTvis gaxsniliyo, magram erTbaSad amis ganxorcieleba SeuZlebeli iqneboda da xelisuflebisTvis damangrevel protests
gamoiwvevda. amitom gadawyvita, mcire
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
sazogadoebaa. saqarTveloSi
es problema ar dgas. amitom
demagogTa da TaRliTTa mxridan mimdinareobs Segnebulad
aqcentis gamaxvileba vinmes
diskriminaciaze,
aJiotaJi
tydeba, TiTqos vinme iCagreba,
raTa sinamdvileSi qarTvel
xalxs moeWras Tavi, viTom
Cven varT fobiiT daavadebuli
eri, fundamentalistebi da Zaladobaze dafuZnebuli eri da
a. S..
evropis
saxelmwifoTa
didi mcdelobis miuxedavad,
maTi mmarTvelTa azriT, maTTan “multikulturuli sazogadoeba ver Sedga”, xolo saqarTvelos xelisufleba jiutad cdilobs “mravaleTnikuri qarTveli eris” cnebis dam-
msoflios TvalSi reklamirebadi religiuri organizaciebi, rac mkafiod gamokveTil diskriminacias warmoadgens
qarTuli eklesiisa da misi mrevlis _
qarTveli eris didi umravlesobis _ mimarT. roca saqarTveloSi moqmedi religiuri organizacia filialia sxva
qveyanaSi arsebulisa, maSin misi moqmedebis mimarTuleba da uflebadacviTi
sazRvrebi unda regulirdebodes saqarTvelos eklesiisa da saqarTvelos saxelmwifos SeTanxmebiT im ucxo organizaciasTan, romlis filialic igi
aris(miT umetes, roca qveyana TavdacviTi omis pirobebSia agresiuli Zalis
winaaRmdeg).
xelisufleba cdilobs stimuli reba da tiraJireba moaxdinos saqarTve loSi arsebul gamarginalebuli poli tikuri jgufebisa Tu pirovnebebis qse nofobiuri gamonaTqvamebisa. mTel msof-
iseTi “mWidro urTierToba” hqondaT
saqarTvelosTan. amitom, “Zveli damsaxurebisaTvis”, dRes farTod gavuRoT
maTi interesebis damcvelebs karebi saqarTveloSi?
anda ganvixiloT Canaweri: “evrosabWos romelime qveyanaSi” registrirebuli organizacia. magaliTad, saberZneTSi
arsebobs 7 aseTi registrirebuli eklesia, romlebSic qarTveli sasuliero
pirebic arian gaerTianebulebi. aq maTi
warmomadgenlobis daregistrirebis SemTxvevaSi, warmoidgineT, ra viTareba Seiqmneba qarTvel mrevlSi - es adamianebi, romlebic saqarTvelos eklesiidan
gankveTilebi arian, an TviTonve wavidnen saqarTvelos eklesiidan, saberZneTSi daregistirirebuli eklesiis meSveobiT Rebuloben imave statuss, rac saqarTvelos sapatriarqos aqvs. aucileblad gamoCndeba maTi mxardamWeri “sa-
mamuka giorgaZe
pirdapiri ieriSi qarTuli
eklesiis winaaRmdeg
(religiuri gaerTianebebis statusis Sesaxeb kanonTan dakavSirebiT)
muxtebiT ganexorcielebina qmedebebi.
zustad asea es saqme. dRes erTi erTi
naRmi afeTqda. 6 Tvis Tavze meores da
mesames aafeTqeben. yovelTvis iqneba saubari imaze, rom es mcire afeTqebaa da
ras dagvaklebs.
faqti faqtad rCeba: xelisuflebam miiRo principuli gadawyvetileba, rom
saqarTvelos eklesia da
ucxo qveynebidan marTuli
religiuri dawesebulebebi
erT sibrtyeSi moaqcia. es
aris pirveli nabiji. amas
Semdgom moyveba sxva danarCeni nabijebi, romlebic im
motiviT, rom dauSvebelia
arakonkurentuli garemos
Seqmna saqarTveloSi(TiTqos sxva sferoebSi konkurencia iyos), amitom Seuqmnian yvelas erTnair pirobebs.
xval gamoacxadeben, rom sxva
aRmsareblobis diskriminaciaa, roca Sobis, aRdgomis,
giorgobis da sxva dResaswaulebi saxelmwifo dResaswaulebia(sxvaTaSoris,
amis niSnebi bolo wlebSi
Riad Cans, roca saakaSvili
gvaCvevs novruz-bairamis zeimis saxelmwifo doneze aRniSvnas). erTnairi pirobebi
rom Seiqmneba, maSin SeadareT igive vatikanis, grigorianuli Tu protestantuli eklesiis SesaZleblobebi da saqarTvelos eklesiis
SesaZlebloba! aseT pirobebSi bunebrivia, rom xval
saqarTvelos eklesia aRmoCndeba diskriminaciul
mdgomareobaSi.
demagogiaa, romelic aucileblad
unda aRiniSnos, is, rasac dRes aqvs adgili qarTul sazogadoebaSi e.w. fsevdoliberalebis mxridan, _rodesac xdeba gaigiveba aRmsareblobis Tavisuflebisa da religiuri dawesebulebis statusis da uflebebis Tanabrobisa. religiuri aspeqtebi da samarTlebriv-organizaciuli mxare sxvadasxva cnebebia.
religia ar aris mxolod rwmenisa da
aRmsareblobis Tavisufleba da am Tavisuflebas pirdapiri kavSiri ara aqvs
religiuri organizaciis statusTan.
sruliad gansxvavebuli sibrtyeebia,
sruliad gansxvavebuli movlenebia da
erTmaneTTan,
SegviZlia
pirdapir
vTqvaT, aranairi saerTo ar aqvT! imis,
rom saqarTvelos moqalaqe kaTolikes
an sxvas aRmsareblobis Tavisufleba
unda hqondes garantirebuli, yvelaze
didi damcveli saqarTveloSi morwmune
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kvidrebas. jiutad cdilobs, sxva qveyanaSi macxovrebeli qarTveli diasporad
iwodebodes(diasporis
saministroc
gvaqvs), maSin rodesac saqarTveloSi
macxovrebel sxva eTnoss eTnikuri umciresobis statuss aniWebs. religiuri
dawesebulebis statusis Sesaxeb kanoni,
Tavisi arsiT, aris antievropuli gadawyvetileba. aseTi tipis yovlismomcvel Tanasworobas evropuli praqtika
ar cnobs. evropuli samarTlis da praqtikis moTxovniT religiuri gaerTianebebisTvis maTi adgili, uflebebi da
movaleobebi unda ganisazRvrebodes qveyanaSi maTi damsaxurebebis, Rvawlisa da
dRevandeli amocanis Sesabamisad. es
pirdapir aris aRniSnuli euTos rekomendaciebSi: SeiZleba uflebebSi gansxvavebul mdgomarebaSi imyofebodes religiuri organizaciebi imitom, rom ma -
lioSi saqarTvelos warmoaCenen uaryofiTi kuTxiT, qmnian STabeWdilebas, rom
saqarTvelo istoriulad iyo da aris
marTlmadidebluri fundamentalizmis,
Seuwynareblobis, Zaladobisa da agresiuli Caketilobis samyaro, igi saWiroebs tolerantobis swavlebasa da ganviTarebas da religiuri Tavisuflebis
dacvas(rac aSkara sicruea da Cveni istoriisa da dRevandelobis Seuracxyofaa). xelisuflebasTan kudis moqicine
e.w. samoqalaqo seqtori, xelisuflebasaviT,
saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobas
umtkiceben TavianT aucileblobas am metad mniSvnelovan saqmeSi, risTvisac saerTaSoriso organizaciebidan iTxoven
politikur da finansur mxardaWeras.
saqarTvelos xelisuflebis miswrafebebs mxars ubams rusuli presac. (magaliTad, “nezavisimaia gazeta”: “marTlma-
Ti istoriuli roli am qveynebisa da
erebis cxovrebaSi gansxvavebulia. es
aris evrokavSirSi damkvidrebuli paraqtika_aris dominanti eklesia da
aris sxvadasxva eklesiebi imis mixedviT, Tu ra roli akisriaT qveynis usafrTxoebis sistemaSi. Yyvela qveyana irCevs im models, romelic yvelaze ukeT
asaxavs qveyanaSi arsebul realobas. Tu
saqarTvelos mimarT keTilad arian ganwyobilni, bunebrivia, Cven unda gavuxsnaT gza, magram Tu esa Tu is instituti, ginda religiuri iyos, ginda politikuri, eweva qveynisTvis saeWvo saqmianobas, mas imitom, rom religiuri dawesebulebaa, an Jurnalisturi dawesebulebaa, farTod unda gavuxsnaT
gza–kvali? (amitomac aris akrZaluli
politikur sivrceSi sxva qveynis partiis filialis arseboba da, kidev ufro meti, partiisTvis akrZalulia sxva
qveynidan finansuri daxmarebis miReba).
amgvarad, es ori sxvadasxva movlenaa,
xelisufleba amas Segnebulad aigivebs
erTmaneTTan.
Cvenis azriT, iuridiulad arasworia saqarTveloSi saqarTvelos samociqulo eklesiasTan im religiur organizaciaTa adgilobrivi ganyofilebebis gaTanabreba, romelTac centri saqarTvelos gareT aqvT. es imas niSnavs,
rom saqarTveloSi iuridiuli piris
uflebiT moqmedebs da saqarTvelos samociqulo eklesiasTan metoqeobis mimarTebaSi imyofeba (ramdenadac SeuZlebelia erTi da igive adamiani or an met
konfesiur mimarTulebas ekuTvnodes)
ucxoeTidan marTuli, dafinansebuli da
didebelTa masStaburma protestma saqarTvelos xelisufleba aiZula gadaexvia evropuli gzidan”. avtoria kavkasiis analitikuri institutis direqtoris moadgile vladislav malcevi. Aamave
dros rusul presaSi vrceldeboda informacia viTomcda TbilisSi somexTa
darbevis Sesaxeb). viRebT Zalian mZime
viTarebas: nacmoZraoba kmayofilia _
warmodgenilia xelisuflebaSi da Tan
xeli miuwvdeba mravalmilionian grantebze; kmayofilni arian es politikuri
jgufebi Tu pirovnebebic _maTi cnobadoba da popularoba matulobs da xval
SeiZleba deputatobasac gamohkran xeli; kmayofilia saerTaSoriso institutebi _ saqarTvelos xelisuflebidan
miRebul informaciaze reagirebiT hgoniaT, rom did saqmes akeTeben; kmayofilia e.w. samoqalaqo sazogadoeba _ aTasi juris umciresobis dacvis sababiT
grantis miRebis Sansi izrdeba; kmayofilia ruseTi_ saqarTvelos antidasavluri imiji dasavleTSi da dasvleTis antiqarTuli imiji saqarTveloSi
da, amasTanave, misi sateliti da misgan
marTuli saqarTvelos xelisuflebis
myari mdgomareoba garantirebulia.
qveyana ki ingreva maTi kmayofilebisa da
Cveni uniaTo buzRunis fonze.
Zalian saintereso Canaweri gakeTda
miRebul kanonSi. statusis miRebis ufleba aqvs “saqarTvelosTan mWidro urTierTobis mqone” religiur dawesebulebas. ibadeba kanonieri kiTxva: ras
niSnavs “mWidro urTierToba”? ruseTs,
sparseTs, osmaleTs, arabeTs, mongoleTs da sxvebs, meti rom ar SeiZleba,
qarTvelos keTilmosurne” Zalebi, romlebic erTiani qarTuli marTlmadideb luri sivrcis rRvevas Seecdebian. ukrainaSi, garda aRiarebuli ukrainis eklesiisa, romelic ruseTis eklesiis
iurisdiqciaSia, aris ramdenime damoukidebeli, registrirebuli ukrainuli eklesia. ise, rogorc xalxisgan daclili cxinvalis dabombva gaxda saqarTveloze Semotevis sababi, gekiTxebiT - iqneba Tu ara ukrainaSi daregistirirebuli eklesiebisTvis statusis micema
ruseTis eklesiis mxridan afxazeTis
eklesiis cnobis safuZveli?!(SegaxsenebT skandals, rodesac saakaSvilma miavlina basil kobaxiZe da sxvebi am eklesiebis ritualur RonisZiebebSi monawileobis misaRebad).
saqarTvelos, iseve rogorc yvela
saxelmwifos, aqvs maradiuli interesebi. saqarTvelos saxelmwifos moqmedeba
valdebulia, iTvaliswinebdes movlenaTa ganviTarebisa da perspeqtivis istoriulad ganpirobebul strategiul
konteqsts. arc islamuri religiuri
eqspansia saqarTveloSi, arc grigorianuli arasodes ar Semofarglula da
arcaa mosalodneli uaxloesi saukuneebis manZilze, rom Semoifarglos mxolod konfesiuri amocanebiT. misi gamWoli mizania saqarTveloSi demografiulteritoriuli poziciebis gafarToeba
da aRm. saqarTvelos, q Tbilisis CaTvliT, zogadi sarwmunoebrivi da kulturuli xedis Secvla_ msofliosaTvis
am miwawylis TiTqosda “araqarTuli”,
“ara ZiriTadad qarTuli” bunebis
ilustrireba. am mizans emsaxureba,
sxvaTa Soris, meCeTebis forsirebuli
da ganukiTxavi mSenebloba. principi,
rom misasalmebelia da saamayoa Zvel
TbilisSi qristianuli eklesiis paralelurad sinagogisa da meCeTis funqcionireba, ar niSnavs, rom dasaSvebia nebismieri, maT Soris _ ucxo fuliT ganpirobebuli raodenobrivi mizanmimarTuli xelovnuri proporciebis Seqmna sakulto nagebobebs Soris. (magaliTad,
arafriT ar gamarTlebuli aqtia bolnisis sionis TiTqmis ezoSive masTan ara
mxolod konfesiurad da simbolurad,
aramed stilisturadac srulebiT Seusabamo Wreli meCeTis aRmarTva oriode
wlis winaT).
niSandoblivia, rom kanonis miReba
moxda somxeTis patriarqis garegin IIis vizitis Semdeg. saqarTvelos patriarqis, uwmidesi da unetaresis ilia IIis mSvidma da argumentirebulma poziciam morigi xelyofisagan daicva qveynisa da eklesiis ganuyofeli interesi da
miRweul iqna SeTanxmeba, rom mxolod
Tanabar uflebebSi SeiZleba iyos saqarTveloSi da sxvagan saeklesio dawesebulebebi (rogorc Cans, xelisufleba am
vizitisgan sxva Sedegs eloda). magram
mmarTvelma reJimma qarTul pozicias ki
ar dauWira mxari, aramed, piriqiT, qveynis interesebis sawinaaRmdego gadawyvetileba miiRo, riTac kidev erTxel
scada saqarTvelos
patriarqis mier
ganxorcielebuli brZnuli qmedebebis
Sedegebis gaqarwyleba (es TvalSi sacemad hgavs perevis epizods).
rac unda sdomebodaT “qarTvel xelisufalT” aseTi gadawyvetilebis miReba zogadad, im konteqstSi, ra konteqstSic maT es ganaxorcieles, es
aris pirwminda provokacia, saxeldobr,
saerTo gazeTi 23
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somxuri agresiis Temis aqtualizacia
iseT dros, roca saqarTveloze dartyma afxazeTis Temis (afxazeTis damoukideblobis cnoba) mxridan mzaddeba! garegin meoris vizits elodebodnen, rom
am Temaze mieRoT gadawyvetileba! (ratom _ amas qvemoT davinaxavT) saqarTvelos patriarqma garegin II-Tan saubrisas Zalian daxvewilad ganaxorciela
saqarTvelos interesebis dacva da iseTi pirobebi SesTavaza, rom praqtikulad Tema daxura.
saqarTvelos xelisuflebam miiRo
is gadawyvetileba, rasac sTxovda garegin II, _ sakuTari qveynis aranairi in teresi mas aqeTken ar ubiZgebda. Tanac,
xelisuflebas ar daumalavs, rom es
somxeTis TxovniT moxda. sagareo saqmeTa ministris moadgilem nino kalandaZem oficialuri gancxadeba gaakeTa: Camosuli iyo somxeTis sagareo saqmeTa
ministri am sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT da
daCqarebuli tempiT imitom miiRes es
kanoni, rom somxebma sTxoves. amave
dros uSiSroebis sabWos mdivani giga
bokeria interviuSi ambobs, CvenTvis es
gadawyvetileba araferia, radgan amaze
somxebi wuxdnen, Cvenc imitom vwuxdiTo. (giga bokeria: “somxebisTvis statusi mniSvnelovani iyo, CvenTvis ki mniSvenlovani iyo is, rom es maTTvis mniSvnelovania”). e.i praqtikulad prezidentma, uSiSroebis sabWom, sagareo saqmeTa saministrom da parlamentma “mimarTuleba misca” mravali mizezis gamo
gamwarebul qarTvel xalxs, Tu raze da
visze unda eyaraT xelisuflebis uxamsobisgan dagrovili javri. xelisuflebam praqtikulad ganaxorciela somxofobiuri mimarTulebis micemis mcdeloba qarTveli xalxis samarTliani aRS foTebisaTvis.
amas Tu mivumatebT im garemoebas,
rom politikuri partiebis Zalian didma nawilma da e.w. SemoqmedebiTi Tu samecniero inteligenciis ,,Zalian patriotma” warmomadgenlebma daiwyes da qarTul presaSi gaSales `antisomxuri~
propaganda, xolo ramdenime sasuliero
Tu mrevlis saxeliT moqmedma pirma,
romelTa erTguleba saqarTvelos eklesiisadmi did eWvebs iwvevs, igive gaimeora. faqtobrivad xalxi miabrunes im
mimarTulebiT, romelic xelisuflebas
surda. zustad iseve, rogorc gia Wanturias mkvlelobidan ori kviris Tavze
SevardnaZis xelisuflebam daajildova
igor giorgaZe general-leintenantis
wodebiT da amiT scada Cveni bunebrivi
kanonieri samarTliani da politikuri
aRSfoTebis misgan sxva mimarTulebiT
gadatana.
vimeorebT: romc yofiliyo somxuri
mxridan Txovna, es arc unda gaexmaurebina xelisuflebas, magram man es specialurad gaakeTa. jer garegin meoris
meSveobiT ganaxorciela, misi WkuiT,
patriarqze zewola, mere _ pirdapir
gamoacxada, am kuTxiT saiT unda wasuliyo qarTveli xalxis aRSfoTeba. es
damRupvelia. aqve unda aRvniSnoT is garemoebac, rom xelisuflebam am provokaciiT praqtikulad pirdapir ganacxada, rom is aris araqarTuli warmoSobis Zalebis lobisti da damcveli saqarTveloSi.
saqarTvelos eklesiasTan SedarebiT vatikans, eCmiaZins da sxva denominaciebs, romlebic saqarTvelos farglebs garedan imarTeba, gacilebiT meti
resursi gaaCniaT rogorc politikuri,
finansuri, aseve adamianuri resursebis
TvalsazrisiT. rodesac am realobas
ukeTeb lobirebas, es niSnavs, rom Sen
ucxo Zalebs ukeTeb lobirebas qarTuli saxelmwifosa da qarTuli eklesiis
winaaRmdeg. Cven statusis miniWebis winaaRmdegi ki ar varT, magram mxolod im
SemTxvevaSi, Tu myarad garantirebulia
Cveni megobroba da Cven erTmaneTis winaaRmdeg ar vmoqmedebT. magram Tu erTmaneTis winaaRmdeg ar vmoqmedebT da Tu
garantirebulia Cveni megobroba, maSin
erTi taZari mogveciT somxeTSi! Tu ar
xsniT am taZrebs, maSin rogor davijero Tqveni megobroba? Tu ar gvjera
Tqveni megobrobis, maSin rogor mogceT
is statusi, romelic SeiZleba xval,
zeg gamoyenebuli iyos Cvens sawinaaRmdegod?
amis miRma dgeba qonebis sakiTxi. eCmiaZinis survili saqarTveloSi arsebuli eklesiebis sakuTrebaSi miRebisa,
Cvenis azriT, iuridiulad usafuZvloa:
grigorianuli eklesiebi agebulia saqarTvelos moqalaqeTa fuliT, romelic saqarTveloSivea mopovebuli. is,
rom grigorianuli sakulto nagebobebi,
mrevlis survilis SemTxvevaSi, unda
funqcionirebdes amave wesiT, dRevandeli somexi mrevlis adamianuri humanitaruli uflebaa da ara qonebrivi da
organizaciuli. Cven dRes unda davTqvaT principulad, rom saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis mier saukuneebis mier dagrovili qoneba da am qonebiT Seqmnili,
Tundac sakulto Senobebi aris qarTveli eris da saqarTvelos saxelmwifos
sakuTreba(Tavis droze umetesi maTgani
qarTuli saxelmwifos da eklesiis avtokefaliis gauqmebis pirobebSi adgilobrivi rusuli administraciis mier
iyo gasxvisebuli). misi gamoyeneba religiuri dawesebulebisaTvis aris aRmsareblobis saqme da Tu es aucilebelia
da saWiroa, bunebrivia, maT unda mieceT
amis SesaZlebloba, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi es saxelmwifom unda gankargos.
rodesac es fuZemdebluri principi dairRveva, Semdeg ukve Zalian gvian iqneba. Cven am niSnebs vxedavT, Tu rogor
miiyvana gigi ugulavam garegin meore
SuaRamisas vercxlis quCaze viTom somxur eklesiaSi, romelSic amJamad mimdinareobs gamwmendiTi da sarestavracio
samuSaoebi, im miniSnebiT, Tqven gikeTebT am taZarso. maTMmrevls es sWirdeba? aris amdeni mrevli? rodesac asobiT meCeTi ixsneba saqarTveloSi, Tumca
mlocvelebs ar sWirdeba, maSin cxadi
xdeba Semdegi: am aRmsareblobis interesi scildeba aRmsareblobis Tavisuflebis interess, igi, rogorc saukuneebis
ganmavlobaSi iyo, demografiul-teritoriul eqspansiaSi gadadis. amitom
Cven Riad unda vTqvaT: aq aranairi fobiis simulacia ar aris saWiro. nu gveqneba kompleqsebi: Tu
megobroba gvaqvs ama
Tu im religiur dawesebulebasTan, romelic warmodgenlia
saqarTveloSi, maSin
es unda gaformdes
calke Sesabamis qveyanasTan SeTanxmebiT.
es patriarqma Zalian
sworad da zustad
Camoayaliba. ra statusic eqneba somxur
eklesias saqarTveloSi, igive statusi
unda hqondes qarTul
eklesias somxeTSi.
igive
midgoma unda
iyos sxvasTan, magaliTad, azerbaijanTan
mimarTebaSi. Zalian
martivad aris es sakiTxebi, Tu gvinda
megobroba iyos.
Cven imis gamocdileba Ggvaqvs, im
tipis mmarTvelobebi,
rogoric aris saakaSvilis reJimi, Semdgom TavianT uniaTobas da ugergilobas
rogor
gadaiyvanen
qveynisTvis damRupvel qmedebaze. es ar
aris dafaruli Tema.
amaze dRes Cven unda
vilaparakoT
Riad
somxeTTanac da azerbaijanTanac, vilaparakoT mSvidad, principulad da argumentebiT, yovelgvari
zedmeti emociebis gareSe, miT umetes,
rom Cven gvaqvs konkretuli problema,
rodesac qveyana imyofeba saomar mdgomareobaSi. mas Zlieri mowinaaRmdege hyavs
ruseTis saxiT, romelsac dapyrobili
aqvs saqarTvelos istoriuli teritoriis didi nawili. Cven imis ufleba ara
gvaqvs, rom mters kidev mivceT Cveni
provocirebis SesaZlebloba da arc
imis ufleba gvaqvs, rom saqarTvelos
sazRvari ,,praxadnoi dvori” gaxdes da
visac ar ezareba Semovides da ibatonos
am teritoriaze!
rodesac vsaubrobT wm. sinodis
sxdomis Sesaxeb, Tavidanve unda aRvniSnoT erTi Zalian saintereso detali: rogor warmoaCina am problemebma
damokidebuleba saqarTvelos eklesiis
mimarT? visac saqarTvelos eklesiis
Svilad miaCnia Tavi, yvelam Zalian adekvaturi qmedeba ganaxorciela. Tu rame
gasarkvevi hqonda, gaarkvia Tavis moZRvarTan, eparqiis mmarTvel episkoposTan
da yvela SekiTxvaze amomwuravi pasuxi
miiRo, rogorc qristanuli wesiT aris
gansazRvruli. magram, vinc Tavisi cxovrebis wesiT ar aris qristiani an visac
naklebad ainteresebs saqarTvelos eklesiis mdgomareoba da bedi, im adamianebma Tavis Tavs ufleba misces boRma
da zizRi gamoexataT. vis aqvs ufleba
presiT da televiziiT anTxios es boRma? rogor sZulebiaT saqarTvelos ek lesia! Tundac rom SeSloda sinods gadawyvetileba, gana SeiZleba, rom, Sen
Tu dedad migaCnia eklesia da dedas
Tundac rame SeeSalos, mTel qveyanaze
gamoaWeno? gamoCnda eklesiis mimarT maTi “pativiscema”.
ra gasakviria gia nodias gancxadeba: “kanonis miRebis Semdeg Seiqmna axali realoba da sapatriarqo iZulebuli
gaxda DdaTanxmeboda”, TiTqos mtris da
mowinaaRmdegis Sesaxeb saubrobda(simarTle rom vTqvaT, is eklesias aseTad
miiCnevs), roca “opoziciuri kvalificiuri politikuri partiebis” umetesobam sapatriarqo Tavis konkurentad mi-
iCnia. zogadad (rogorc yovelTvis)
“daicves” eklesiis uflebebs da rogorc ki kritikuli momenti dadga, umetesma maTganma amazrzeni qiliki daiwyo:
Cvenze metad eklesiis imedi rom hqonda xalxs, cru molodini yofilao. isini, sxvaTaSoris, Tavis pozicias ar
afiqsirebdnen am kanonTan dakavSirebiT,
rogorc ar afiqsirebdnen pozicias arc
baTumSi da arc qvemo qarTlSi meCeTebis mSeneblobasTan dakavSirebiT, aramed
mxolod acxadebdnen, CarTeT molaparakebebSi saqarTvelos eklesiao, amiT maT
viTomcda patriotul-religiuri cnobiereba gamoxates, magram maT zedmetad
Tavi ar Seiwuxes da “liberalis” imijis da xelisuflebis keTilganwyobis
dakargvis SiSiT, amjeradac, tradiciulad arc mwvadi dawves da arc Samfuri da dakmayofildnen aRSfoTebis gamoxatviT “sapatriarqos Sexedulebebis
ignorirebis” gamo (yvelaze metad im
xalxma gamoido Tavi, romlebic wlebis
win konkordatis gauqmebas moiTxovdnen saparlamento tribunidan da Rame
mSvidad ar eZinaT, rogorc TviTon
acxadebdnen, radganac sxva aRmsareblobis xalxi Turme saqarTveloSi iCagreboda).
sazogadoebisTvis cnobilma Tu ucnobma pirebma xelisuflebis gakritikebis
paralelurad eklesiis warmomadgenlebic gaakritikes (survilis SemTxvevaSi
sababis moZebnas ra unda):
sasuliero pirebma jipebze
gacvales saxelmwifos interesebio. ra SuaSia jipebi da
saCuqrebi? Tu amis mTqmelebs aqvT imis argumenti da
faqti, rom romelime episkoposma an sasuliero pirma
Caidina antieklesiuri an antisaxelmwifoebrivi qmedeba, amaze unda visaubroT eklesiis mier dadgenili wesiT. Tu ici rame, Tqvi da daade konkretul pirovnebas
xeli da konkretul SemTxvevaSi konkretuli Sesabamisi
gadawyvetileba miviRoT!
jipebis micema-armicema TavisTavad ar aris danaSauli. Tu gvinda normaluri
sazogadoeba, udanaSulobis
prezumfcia unda arsebobdes. Caidina konkretulma
mRvdelma raime danaSauli,
ki batono, movTxovoT pasuxi. “mRvdlebs aRsarebis saidumloebebi Sss-Si miaqvTo”_ Tu erTi msgavsi faqti
mainc ician, im konkretul
mRvdels movTxovoT pasuxi.
Tu es faqti ara gaqvs, aseTi
gancxadebebiT rom mTel eklesias Seuracxyofas ayeneb,
amas ver unda xvdebode?
Tu konkretuli faqti ar gaqvs romelime mRvdelze, yvela mRvdelze ratom gvaeWvianeb? Tu ici konkretuli
faqti, rom aris mamaTmavali eklesiaSi,
modi da es sakiTxi eklesiis SigniT
ganvixiloT da mTeli mrevli SenTan
erTad viqnebiT. sasuliero pirebis
mxridan garkveul individualur gadacdomebs, gnebavT _Secodebebs Tu sxva sa-
xis kanonikur-samarTlebriv darRvevebs
SeiZleba marTlac hqondes adgili, magram es mxolod saeklesio samarTliT
dadgenili wesiT unda daregulirdes.
amaT rogor hgoniaT, romelime,
Tundac mcdari, gadawyvetilebisTvis
sasuliero piris an episkoposis sajarod lanZRva eklesiis lanZRva ar
aris? vis aqvs ufleba, gamovides da agdebulad ilaparakos ierarqebze, Tundac am ierarqebis qmedeba ar moewonos.
Aazris gamoxatvis Tavisuflebis safar qveS xSirad TviT eklesiss esxmian
Tavs. arsebobs saeklesio wesi, Tu rogor unda mogvardes sakiTxebi. umetesma
am pirTaganma gamoaCina Tavisi populizmi, naxevrad aTeisturi da naxevrad farisevluri buneba. da meore nawili, e.w
TiTqos radikaluri morwmuneebi gamovidnen aTasgvari iniciativebiT, winadadebebiT. isargebles imiT, rom mrevli
garkveulwilad iyo aRtyinebuli da
yvelam Tavisi ideebis propaganda SesTavaza xalxs, cdilobdnen quCaSi gamosul adamianebs saTaveSi Casdgomodnen.
Tan meti radikalizaciisTvis ruis-urbnisis krebis mowvevas da uRirsi sasuliero pirebis gankveTas iTxovdnen (netav vis Txovdnen? – saakaSvils?!). es
seriozuli analizis
da daskvnebis gakeTebis saSualebas iZleva.
sxvaTa Soris unda iTqvas, rom saeWvod uadgilod atyda
aJiotaJi
sinodis
sxdomaze Catarebul
kenWisyrasTan dakavSirebiT. kenWisyra Sedga
ara mTavari sakiTxis
Sesaxeb, aramed imis
Taobaze, sxdomaze mosuli samoqalaqo pirebisTvis moesminaT
Tu ar moesminaT. Tundac amis gamo, SeuZlebelia vinmem Tqvas,
rom sinodis SigniT
arsebobs ganxeTqileba.
Tan am azris gansamtkiceblad cifrebi saxeldeba.
kenWisyra
sxva sakiTxze iyo, romelsac aranairi Sexeba ara aqvs gansaxilvel sakiTxTan. sinodma Tavis ganCinebaSi
pirdapir aRniSna, rom
kanonSi cvlilebebis
Setanis Sesaxeb gamoiTqva saerTo ukmayofileba, anu arcerT
sasuliero pirs ar
uTqvams, rom es kargia. gaurkvevlobis Tavidan asacilblad sapatriarqom specialuri gancxadebac gaakeTa. yvelaze ufro damajerebelia misi uwmidesobis sityvebi.
man ganacxada, rom saqarTvelos eklesia
aris im poziciaze, rom am kanonis miReba praqtikulad gamoiwvevs Zalian mZime
Sedegebs da pasuxismgebloba daekisreba
xelisuflebas.
Tu romelime sasuliero piris, miT
umetes ierarqis pozicia miuRebelia an
maTi qmedebebi eWvs iwvevs, unda gvaxsovdes, rom eklesia TavisTavad cocxali
organizmia, sadac SeiZleba garkveuli
problema realurad arsebobdes, magram
misi ganzogadeba da Sida eklesiuri sakiTxebis sajaro ganxilvis mcdeloba
araeklesiuri an naklebad eklesiuri
adamianebis mxridan dauSvebelia, miT
umetes, rom garedan Careva saqarTvelos eklesiis mizanmimarTul diskreditaciis iwvevs. yvela jansaRi organizmi
da maT Soris saqarTvelos eklesia TviTonve mouvlis am problemebs, eklesiisadmi mtrulad ganwyobili Zalebis garedan zemoqmedebis ganeitralebis paralelurad. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi miviRebT gacilebiT uares Sedegs. xelisufleba aucileblad moZebnis Tundac erTor misganve damuSavebul, Segzavnil an
ganawyenebul romelime “sasuliero
pirs” (ra unda gagvikvirdes, macxovars
hyavda iuda iskarioteli) da Tavad eklesiis erTianobas daayenebs eWvqveS.
gulwrfelad eklesiis gverdiT mdgom
adamianebs Uunda gvaxsovdes, rom eklesias dRes hyavs organizebuli, motivirebuli da saxelmwifos da eklesiis
ngrevisken mizanmimarTulad mavali mowinaaRmdege, romelic iyenebs yvela daSvebul Tu dauSvebel meTods Dda, samwuxarod, eklesias samoqalaqo sivrceSi
jer ar hyavs erTguli da struqturirebuli partniori, romelic SeZlebs
eklesiis winaaRmdeg mimarTuli mtruli
qmedebis ganeitralebas da miscems saqarTvelos eklesiis Rirseul moZRvrebs
Tavisi saqmis keTebis saSualebas(es yovelive naTlad gamoCnda sinodis sxdomis dReebSi,
rodesac xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebma Tavs Tavxeduri da
uxamsi saqcielis Cadenis ufleba misces,
xolo maTi Semakavebeli samoqalaqo Zala iq ar aRmoCnda).
erT amitom, Cven, vinc eklesiis
gul Svilad miviCnevT Tavs, Cveni realuri qmedebebiT
mters
unda gavufantoT imis iluzia, rom mas ZaluZs
ise moeqces saqarTvelos eklesias da
qarTvel xalxs, rogorc surs, da romelime maTi danaSaulebrivi qmedeba da usjeli darCeba! aseve unda gavufantoT
yvela
orguls(Semosils Tu Seumosavs) imis iluziac, rom amisTvis pasuxs aravin mosTxovs!
Tu vinmes gauCnda gancda, rom sinodis sxdomis Canaweri ufro mkacri
unda yofiliyo, egona, rom sinodis ganCinebaSi Caiwereboda 24 saaTSi sinodi
brZanebs laSqris Sekrebas didgoris
velze da a.S., es elementaruli sakiTxis ucodinarobaa. institucionalurad, funqciurad saprotesto aqciebis
Catareba ar aris sasuliero pirebis,
sinodis saqme. Seqmnil viTarebaSi sinodma gaakeTa dRes sazogadoebaSi arsebuli resursis maqsimumi(wm.. sinodis
krebaze miRebuli umniSvnelovanesi ga dawyvetilebebi calke saubris Temaa),
aiZula xelisufleba, rom uprecedento
qmedeba ganexorcielebina_ miRebul kanons ukan moayola ganmartebiTi baraTi
da saswrafod daiwyo konkordatiT gaTvaliswinebuli sakiTxebis realizeba.
bevri ukanonoba da araordinaruli qmedebac ki gvaxsovs parlamentisgan, magram miRebul kanons ukan axsna-ganmarteba miayolos_“dedas geficebi cudad
aRar moviqcevi” da a.S. mtkicebebi, Sen
winaaRmdeg ar gadavdgam nabijebso_ jer
ar yofila. sveticxovlobaze saakaSvilma Tavisi specialurad Camoyvanili
mxardamWerebis gareSe, rom ver gabeda
mosvla, imis dadasturebaa, rom movlenebma, rac am kanonis miRebas mohyva,
xelisufleba daafrTxo(man qarTvel
erSi arsebuli potenciali kargad
icis).
gvinda avRniSnoT, rom es ar aris
sakmarisi da damamSvidebeli. ar mivekuTvnebiT im adamianTa kategorias, romelic mets ar iTxovs (pirvelyovlisa
sakuTar Tavs sTxovs), ar grZnobs Tavs
Seuracxyofilad da uaxloes momavalSi
ar elodeba axal Semotevebs. magram, vimeorebT, es dRes iyo viTarebis adekvaturi Sedegi. misma uwmidesobam aTasjer
gagvafrTxila: Cemo sayvarelo qarTvelo
xalxo, unda velodeT, rom seriozuli
problemebi Seeqmneba qarTul saxelmwifoebiriobas da Tqven Tqveni wili saqarTvelo daicaviT, Tqveni winaprebis
msgavsado. samwuxarod, wlebis ganmavlobaSi Cven yurad ar viReT (dResac bolomde ver vacnobierebT) misi uwmidesobis gafrTxilebebis realurobas, xolo
roca saqme saqmeze midga, Cven moumzadebeli SevxvdiT am gansacdels.
miuxedavad am mowodebebisa da gadawyvetilebebisa, mrevlma ver gaiTavasa
Tavisi pasuxismgebloba. “eri da beri”_
aseTi termini imitom damkvidrda, rom
es orni gamijnulni arian rogorc uflebebiT, aseve funqciebiT. Aamitom ki
ar unda velodoT, rodis iSiSvlebs misi uwmidesoba an sinodis wevrebi xmals
da gagviZRveba win, aramed Cven, viciT
ra saqarTvelos eklesiis pozicia, romelic mas arasodes daumalavs_ arasodes gaugebrad ar uTqvams, piriqiT, Zalian gasagebad ambobda Tu ra mimarTulebiT unda gvebrZola_Cveni RvTisgan
dakisrebuli funqciis Sesabamisad unda
realiza vimoqmedoT. am mowodebaTa
ciis meqanizmi eklesias ar gaaCnia. qmedeba Cveni saqmea. es xom mrevlis gasakeTebelia da am kritikul dros
mrevls ufro meti pasuxismgebloba
ekisreba. mrevli valdebulia TviTon
gaxdes eris interesebis damcveli da
eklesiis partniori, Mmoaxerxos globaluri gamowvevebis organizebuli daxvedra da eklesiis saqmeebSi garedan
Carevis aRkveTa.
reJimis winaaRmdeg
brZolis motivi da ufleba qarTvel xalxs aqvs.
es, ra Tqma unda, ar niSnavs, rom es ufleba gamoyenebul iqnas sibrZnis, moralis an saxelmwifos bedze pasuxismgeblobis gareSe, anu ganukiTxavad. rac Seexeba Cvens winaaRmdeg moqmed Zalebs,
saxelmwifos interesebis (ukve meramdened!) sawinaRmdego qmedebaSi monawileobis gamo qarTveli erma Sesabamisi pasuxi unda mosTxovos da mosTxovs kidec.
movuwodebT qarTvel mrevls, romelic gulwrfelad ganicdis Seqmnil sagangaSo viTarebas, SevaerToT Cveni Zalisxmeva da erToblivi aqtiuri, Tanmimdevruli, gaazrebuli da adekvaturi nabijebiT (da ara erTjeradi piar-aqciebiT, Seusrulebel dapirebaTa gamoTqmiT, iluzoruli erTianobiT an brZolis imitaciiT) qveynisaTvis aucilebeli da gadaudebeli erovnuli amocanebis gadawyvetilebebis misaRebad, qarTuli saxelmwifosa da saqarTvelos eklesiis interesebis dasacavad.
es Cveni upirvelesi movaleobaa!
24 saerTo gazeTi
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
ivane javaxiSvili:
saqarTvelos sazRvrebi
Sesavali
saukuneTa ganmavlobaSi saqarTvelos saxelmwifos samzRvrebi tomobrivi mosaxleobis
samzRvrebs ara erTxel gascilebia da Zlierebis xanaSi XIXIII saukunemde, gansakuTrebiT
me-XII saukuneSi daviT aRmaSenebelisa da Tamar mefis dros
saqarTvelos, mTeli amieri kavkasiac-ki ekuTvnoda. qvemomoyvanils monografiaSi ganxilulia saqarTvelos mxolod
mWidrod Semofargluli samzRerebi, ise, rogorc TviT igi
istoriuli da politikur-saxelmwifoebrivi, agredve geografiuli da ekonomikuri pirobebis wyalobiT Camoyalibda.
TiTqos TviT bunebas Seuqmnia
qarTvel erisaTvis bumberazi
daraji kavkasionis mTavari
uReltexili CrdiloeTiT da
maRali mTebis zRude samxreTiT, dasavleTiT-ki mis teritorias Savi zRvis, xolo aRmosavleTiT mdinareebis zoli
aqvT Semovlebuli. am mxriv saqarTvelo erTs saucxovod garemozRudvils qveyanas warmoadgens. sxvaTa Soris am pirobebis wyalobiTac SesZlo qarTvelma erma Tavis xangrZliv
istoriul arsebobis dros
mravali, xSirad Tavisze gacilebiT ufro Zlieri mtrebis
mogerieba da Tavisi erovnebis
dacva. es garemoeba saqarTvelos mtrebsac esmodaT da amitom ara-erTxel yofila, rom
Cveni qveynis ama Tu im monapire kuTxis daWera da CamoSoreba ucdiaT. magram saqarTvelos
politikur moRvaweebsa da
mTavrobasac Tavisi saxelmwifos am bunebriv samzRvrebis
dacvis uaRresi mniSvneloba
Cveni eris arsebobisaTvis mSvenierad hqondaT gaTvaliswinebuli da amis gamo mtrebis yovels amgvars ganzraxvasa da
wadils medgars winaaRmdegobas
uwevden.
winamdebare
monografia
swored saqarTvelos samzRvrebs arkvevs istoriuladac, _
Tu rogori moxazuloba hqonda
mas warsulSi an rogor icavda
am samzRvrebs qarTveli eri saukuneTa ganmavlobaSi, _ da Tanamedrove cxovrebisa da awindeli pirobebis da mixedviT, _
Tu ra nairad unda Semoixazos
saqarTvelos respublikis saxelmwifo samzRvrebi am Jamad,
rom saerTaSoriso samarTlisa,
1783 w. ruseTTan dadebul
xelSekrulobiTa da erovneba-
udidesma mamuliSvilma, Tanamedrove qarTuli saistorio mecnierebis mamamTavarma ivane javaxiSvilma 1919
wels TbilisSi gamoaqveyna wigni: saqarTvelos sazRvrebi
istoriulad da Tanamedrove TvalsazrisiT ganxiluli.
SemdgomSi, jer 1989 wels krebulSi, xolo 1996 wels
calke wignad, kvlav gamoqveynda es monografia. gansakuTrebiT aRsaniSnavia bolo, istorikos durmiSxan cincaZis
maRal mecnierul doneze ganxorcielebuli gamocema.
didi mecnieris mravalricxovani fundamenturi monografiebis gverdiT es wigni mokrZalebulad Cans, _ ormocdaaTiode gverdia, magram SinaarsiT udidesi da fasdaudebelia. masSi sruliad sarwmuno qarTuli da ucxou-
Ta TviTgamorkvevis uflebiT
uzrunvelyofili
qarTveli
eris politikuri uflebebi ar
Seilaxos da samarTlianoba
aRdgenili iqnas.
samzRvrebis mimoxilva jer
dasavleT-CrdiloeTiTgan iwyeba, Semdeg aRmosavleTisaken midis, merme aRmosavleTis sanapiro xazs da sul bolos samxreTis samzRvars exeba aRmosavleTiTgan moyolebuli dasavleTis xazis ukidures wertilamde.
I Tavi.
CrdiloeTis
samzRvari.
1. Crdilo-d
dasavleTis xazi.
afxazeT-j
jiqeTi.
sruliad saqarTvelos Crdilo-dasavleTis ukidures samzRvarze abxazeTi iyo da exlac igive kuTxe hsazRvravs
saqarTvelos respublikas. istoriulis cnobebis mixedviT
me-XI-e saukuneSi es mosamzRvre xazi saqarTvelosa da mezobel qveynebs Soris Zalian
CrdiloeTiT mdebareobda, sa-
redaqciisagan: ivane javaxiSvilis
wigni `saqarTvelos sazRvrebi~
ibeWdeba ucvleli saxiT.
xeldobr, im adgilas, sadac
kavkasionis mTavari qedi iwyoboda. mosazRvre xazad md. yubanis SesarTavi da kavkasiis qedis wveri iTvleboda (l.mroveli ix. qarTveli eris ist.II,
311 da 266). ase CrdiloeTiT
imitom iyo samzRvari waweuli,
rom maSin jiqeTi da alanTa
ri saistorio sabuTebis Tanaxmad, avtori Cveuli miukerZoeblobiT, zedmiwevniT zustad da amomwuravad gadmogvcems saxelmwifoebrivi erTeulis umniSvnelovanesi moTxovnilebis _ sazRvrebis dramatuli istoriis ZiriTad
sakiTxebs.
`aRdgena istoriisa _ eris gamococxlebaa, awmyos gageba da warmarTvaa, mermisis gamokvlevaa sibnelisagan~,
_ amas TviTon qarTveli eris sulieri mama, geniosi mwerali da moazrovne ilia WavWavaZe, wminda ilia marTali
gvaswavlis.
zurab ratiani.
20.VIII. 2011 w.
ri biWvinTis monastris CrdiloeTiT mdebareobda (ix. qarTveli eris ist. II, 315), xolo
amis Semdgom ukve abxazTa tomis jiqebis miwa-wyali iwyoboda.
vaxuStis sityviT mis droindels, me-XVIII saukunis, abxazeTsa da jiqeTs Soris samzRvrad zRva da kapoetis wyali iyo (geografia 406 da
408), jiqeTis CrdiloeTis samzRvari-ki winandeburad kavkasionis qedi yofila, dasavleT
saqarTvelos 1732 w. rukazec
jer sweria `kapoetis wyali~,
Semdeg xazia gasmuli da naTqvamia `aqeT jiqeTio~ ix. ruka),
e.i. jiqeTi kapoetis wylis
iqiT, nu CrdiloeTiT mdebareobso. Tanamedrove rukebze kapoetis wyali ar aris aRniSnuli, magram 1732 w. aleqsandre
mefis brZanebiT Sedgenils dasavleT saqarTvelos rukaze da
sruliad saqarTvelos moskovSi 1743 w. gadaxatul rukaze
es mdinare biWvintis CrdiloTiT aris aRniSnuli. maSasadme
kapoeti exlandeli md. bzibis
Zveli saxeli unda iyos.
Tu 1743 rukas davxedavT,
iqiTgan sCans, rom samzRvari
md.kapoetis wyalze anu bzibzeki ara yofila, aramed am mdinaris CrdiloTiT mdebare kavkasionis qed-qed. burnaSevis
mier Sedgenils rukazedac samzRvari kapoetis wylis anu
bzibis sakmaod moSorebiT,
CrdiloeT-aRmosavleTiT mdebareobs da mimdinareobs. yvela
am sabuTebis gamo unda davaskvnaT, rom md. bzibi mTlad Ta-
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
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qveyanac abxazeTs ekuTvnoda,
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iyo da maTi afxazeTTan erToba srulebiT bunebrivad unda
miCneuli iqnas, alanTa Sesaxeb
amis Tqma ar SeiZleba.
maincdamainc cxadia, rom
doabzu anu tuafse afxazTa sakuTreba iyo imitom, rom TviT
es sageografio saxeli swored
amasa hniSnavs. magram sakuTriv
abxazebis CrdiloeTis samzRva-
vis SemdinareebiT abxazeTis
samzRvrebSi iyo, amitom mosamzRvre xazi ueWvelia am mdinaris auzis Crdilo-aRmosavleTisaken mdebare gamyofelia qedis-qed unda yofiliyo gavlebuli.
am adgilTagan moyolebuli
abxazeTis Crdilo-aRmosavleTisaken gadaxrili samzRvris
xazi kavkasionis mTavar uReltexilis qed-qed midioda da
exlac midis svaneTamdis.
tomobriv
mosaxleobis
mxriv me-XVIII-e s.-is dasasruls abxazeTi Semdeg nawilebad iyofeboda: erTi iyo bzibis
xeoba, romelic Seicavda md.
bzibis qvemo nawilisa da aRmosavleTiT gudauTamde, meore
gudauTsa da md. kodors Sua
sakuTriv abxazTa saTemo iyo.
mesame, afSTileTi, md. kodorsa da RaliZgas Sua mdbareobda. meoTxe samurzayano, romelSiac mosaxleoba megruli iyo
da exlac aris, mxolod abxazuri ena da zne-Cveulebac
SeTvisebuli aqvT, moTavsebuli
iyo RaliZgasa da engurs Soris Savi zRvis napiras da mexuTes, wibeldas md. kodoris
xeobis Sua nawili ekava.
cnobilia, rom aRm. saqarTvelos 1783 w. ruseTTan dadebulma xelSekrulebam da Semdeg 1801 w. SeerTebam mTeli
saqarTvelos bed-iRbalic gadaswyvita da sruliad saqarTvelos ruseTis mier SeerTeba
mxolod-da-mxolod xelsayrel
droze iyo damokidebuli, verc
abxazeTi gadaurCa am beds.
Tumca 17 Teber. 1810 w. abxazeTis mTavroba seferbei
SarvaSiZemac ruseTis mfarveloba miiRo, magram karga xans
me-XIX-e saukunis meore naxevris damdegamde abxazeTSi mainc
rusebma fexi mtkiced ver moikides da mxolod 1 maiss 1864
wels abxazeTi ruseTTan sabolood SeerTebuli iyo, TviT
abxazeTis mTavars-ki mTelis
STamomavlobiT mTavris ufleba
samudamod CamoerTva.
abxazebi ubrZolvelad ar
Sehrigebian damoukideblobis
mospobas da 1866 wels abxazeTSi ajanyeba daiwyo, romelic rusTa Zlier, jaris mosvlisTanave Caqra. magram 1877-8
w. omis dros abxazeTSi kvlav
ajanyeba moxda.
yvelaze Zliersa da medgars
winaaRmdegobas ruseTis gabatonebas abxazeTSi wibelda
uwevda. me-XIX-e saukunis 30
wlebiTgan moyolebuli ruseTis mTavroba ara erTxel am
kuTxeSi damsjel razmebsa
gzavnida xolme da bolos
mkvidri mcxovrebni iqiTgan ayril da gandevnil iqmnen (?
tfilisi 1896 w. damat.#1 gv.
54).
1840 w. atexil amboxebis
gamo am kuTxis maRlobi adgilebiTgan, daliTganac, rusebma
yvela mekomurni ahyares (iqve
56), xolo 1867 wlis abxazeTis ajanyebis Semdgom wibeldis mosaxleobis ukanaskneli
saerTo gazeTi 25
#34 (163), 31.08-06.09, 2011 w.
nawilic didiT pataramde, dedabudianad ayrili da osmaleTSi gandevnili iyo. (iqve
57). jer kidev 1850 wels aq
14000 saxloba iTvleboda,
1867 wels-ki mTels am kuTxeSi rusTa wyalobiT 27 ojaxis
meti aRaravin iyo (?) am droiTgan moyolebuli kodoris da
mis Semdinareebis xeobani srulebiT gaukacrielda. amis Semdgom ruseTis mTavrobam mTels
Tavis politikas SavizRvis napiras adgilobriv mkvidrTa,
gansakuTrebiT-ki qarTvelTa
sawinaaRmdegod
awarmoebda:
qarTvelebs aq dasaxleba da
uZrav qonebis SeZena akrZaluli hqondaT, rusebs-ki, gansakuTrebiT moxeleebsa da samxedro pirebs, Calis fasad aZlevdnen am samoTxesaviT mSveniersa da bunebiT uxvad dajildovebuls mxares. mxolod
ruseTis mTavrobis politikis
wyalobiT gaCnda qarTvelebis
gverdiT sxva erovnebis xalxic.
ruseTis mTavrobis
zemoaRwerili politikisa da saaxalSeno moRvaweobis da miuxedavad samurzayano-abxazeTSi da
jiqeTis samxreTis mcire zolSi, anu soxumisa da soWis olqebSi 1916 w. aRweris da Tanaxmad 141.000 mcxovrebTa Soris 71.000 qarTveli da
43.000 abxazi iyo. 6.000 some-
xi da 21.000 sul sxvadasxva
erovnebisa.
2. CrdiloeTis xazi.
dvaleTi.
saqarTvelos CrdiloeTis
samzRvari afxazeTis Semdgom
svaneTis CrdiloeTis samzRvriT aris moxazuli da aqac es
xazi Cveni qveynis bunebriv
zRudes misdevs, kavkasonis
mTavar uReltexilis maradTovlians qeds raWis samzRvramdis. Semdeg saqarTvelos
ukiduresi CrdiloeTis Temi
raWaa da misi samzRvris xazic
CrdiloeTiT imave uReltexilis mTavar qedze midis dvaleTamde.
dvaleTis Sesaxeb sagangebod unda iyos aRniSnuli, rom
igi kavkasionis uReltexilis
or, mTvarsa da piriqiTels, qedebs Sua aris moqceuli, es
qveyana yovelmxriv marad-Tovlian mTebiT aris garSemozRuduli ise-ki, rom CrdiloeTiT
mdebare qedi, e.i. piriqiTeli
samxreTisaze ufro maRalia da
erT alags garda sruliad gauvalia. es dvaleTi am adgilas
saqarTvelos ukiduresi CrdiloeTi monapire qveyana iyo.
ZveliTganve dvaleTi saqarTvelos ekuTvnoda, magram am
samzRvars gansakuTrebuli yuradReba me-XII-e s-iTgan mieqcia da politikuradac mtki-
eqsperti: saqarTveloSi 3 milioni
turistis Semosvlaze saubari zRaparia
saqarTvelos axalgazrda finansistTa da biznesmenTa asociaciis
(afba) prezident merab janiaSvils
ukvirs, rogor unda miiRos 4-mmilionianma saqarTvelom
3 milioni turisti.
“medianiusTan” saubrisas igi gamoexmaura
ekonomikisa da mdgardi
ganviTarebis ministr
vera qobalias mier gamocema “La Tribune”saTvis micemul gancxadebas, romlis Tanaxmadac, qveyana
wels swored 3 mln turists
elis. janiaSvilis TqmiT, 3 milioni imdenad didi maCvenebelia, sastumroebs rom Tavi davaneboT, maT
gamokvebas swrafi kvebis obieqtebic ver uzrunvelyofs, “3 milioni turistis Semosvla ekonomikisTvis Zalian kargi maCvenebeli iqneboda. TiToeulma maTganma daaxloebiT 500, an Tundac, 200 dolari
rom daxarjos,UekonimikaSi 6 mili-
ard dolaramde investicia ganxorcieldeba. es ki mas aayvavebs, magram
maT rogor movemsaxurebiT? amisaTvis arc sasursaTo resursi gvaqvs
da arc infrastruqtura. Cven TviTon 4 milioni varT da 3 milioni
turisti rogor unda
miviRoT? aseT rameze
saubari zRaparia. mikvirs, saidan moaqvs xolme vera qobalias aseTi
informacia”, – ikiTxa
merab janiaSvilma. misi TqmiT, 3 milioni turistis stumrobis SemTxvevaSi samomxmareblo fasebi mniSvnelovnad gaizrdeba, magram es asatani iqneba, radgan ekonomikaSi Zalian didi investicia Caideba.
“qveynis ekonomikas orniSna zrdisaTvis 2 miliard dolaramde ucxouri investicia sWirdeba. warmoidgineT, uceb 6 miliardi rom Semovides, ra Sedegi gveqneba”, — aRniSna merab janiaSvilma. man xazi im
ced aq qarTvelobam fexi daviT
aRmaSeneblis dros moikida
(`cxovreba mefisa daviTisi~ gv.
301, qarTvel eris ist. II 515).
SemdegSiac, TviT saqarTvelos
politikur dauZlurebis drosac, me-XVIII-is damdegsac, dvaleTi qarTvelTa xelSi iyo da
vaxuStis mowmobiT `mefeTa
qrTvelTa... miscemen dRemde
xarksa~ (geografia 460). vaxtang me-VI-e iyo is mefe, romelmac saqarTvelos CrdiloeTis samzRvris es monapire kuTxe 1711 wels jariTurT Semoiara, Sevida Sig, `Cavlo zramaga da Semoevlo JRelisxevi
da gardmovlo kedelasa zeda
da movida kudaros da kudarodam qarTls gamarjvebuli. swored man kvlavindebulad mtkiced `daipyra dvaleTi da dasdva xarkni~ (vaxuSti, saqarTvelos cxovreba 118).
aRmosavleTiT mas hsazRvravs `Trusos da xevis sazRvari, merme myinvaris kavkasi da
arxotiskavkasi, romelni Zenan
samxridan Crdilod da daswydebis xevis bolos mdinaresa
zeda lomeksa, merme lomekis
mdinare vidre xeTaZe Cerqezis
mTamde. samxriT mzRvris kavkasi, xevis yelidam warsuli da-
Rebuli saxelebi rom vixmaroT, maSin dvaleTis samzRvari
ase gvexateba. CrdiloeTiT
adai-xoxiTgan (-qarTul xoxis
mTas) xazi midis aRmosavleTsamxreTisaken arxonamdis (-qarTuls axots), xolo dasavleTiT amave adai-xoxis mwvervaliTgan xazi samxreTisaken midis qed-qed mwverval yazi-xoxamdis. Semdeg samxreTis samzRvari iwyoba am adgiliTgan
da qed-qed midis; sauxoxze, xaliwaze, zekarze, brutsabZelze, xoxze, Semdeg roqze arxonamdis.
dvaleTi Zveladac da exlac ramdenime xeobad iyofeboda: kasris xevad, zramagad,
JReled, narad, zrogod da zaxad (vaxuSti, geografia 428).
am dvaleTze `gardavlenan..
gzani digorsa... da... gzani
ealagirsa da faiqomsa~ (vaxuSti. geografa 444). iq, sadac
kasris xeoba `moviwkrovdebis
xoxis mTas Camosulis kldiTa
da glolasa da amas Soris
kavkas Camosulis kldiTa~, gakeTebuli yofila `kari kldisagan da qviTkiriT qmnuli,
did-kamarovani mdinaresa zeda~. es kari-bWe Turme saqarTvelos `mefeTagan qnuli~ yo-
gan zidavdnen (vaxuSti. geografi 438).
bunebam dvaleTi madniT uxvad daajildova da iq vaxuStis sityviT `gamoiReben miwidam brpensa, gvarjilsa, gogirdsa~ (iqve 438), amasTanave `liToni brpenisa mravali~ yofila, xolo `gogirdi friad
kargi~. zemoaRniSnuls garda
iq arsebobda `liTonica vecxlisa~ (iqve 444).
am Jamad am kuTxes ardonis
anu nardonis qvab-xeoba ewodeba. es ardonis qvab-xeoba, romelic yovelmxriv garSemozRudulia, magram romelsac CrdiloeTisaken mxolod erTad-erTi zemoaRniSnuli xeobaze mdebare gasavali aqvs, samxreTiTki saqarTvelosTan mas 11 gardmosavali aerTebs, me-XIX-e
saukuneSic Tavdapirvelad tfilisis guberniis samzRvrebSi
iyo moqceuli da am guberniis
mTiuleTis olqs ekuTvnoda.
(?) misi sivrce 497 oTxkuTx
vers ar aRemateba. SemdegSi
ruseTis mTavrobam dvaleTi
anu ardonis qvab-xeTsa saqarTvelos CamoaSora da iergis
olqs SeuerTa.
saukuneTa
ganmavlobaSi,
rogorc davinaxeT, saqarTve-
savleTad, romel ars brutsabrZelamde da zeka-kedela da
raWa-didgor-basian Sorisi kavkasni. xolo CrdiloT Cerqezsa
da mas Soris mTa maRali... da
dasavleTiT mzRvris kavkasive
raWasa da JReles Sorisi, merme basiansa da svaneTs Sorisi~.
(iqve 428-430). exlandels rusuls sageografio rukebze mi-
fila am mazniT, rom `ara vidoden Tvinier maTsa ovsni~.
amgvarad bunebrivada da xelovnuradac `ars xeoba ese
friad magari da Seuvali~ (iqve 444).
Zvelad am kuTxes saqarTvelosTan politikurs garda
sarwmunoebrivi da kulturuli kavSiric hqoda: qristianoba aq qarTveli mqadageblebis
mier iyo gavrcelebuli da TviT eklesiis nangrevebs, mag.
roqis xeobaSi exlac, etyoba
qarTuli asomTavruli warwerebi. vaxuStis sityviT am qveynis mkvidrni iyvnen `samwysoni
niqoszlisani~
(geografia
434). me-XVIII-e is damdegs
blomad yofila `gaxseni, koSkni, eklesiani qviTkirisani~,
romelnic saqarTvelos `mefeTagan naSenni~ yofilan, TviT
xalxSi am Zeglebis Sesaxeb
Tqmulebebi yofila da vaxuStis cnobiT `umetes ityvian...
Tamar mefisagan~ agebulado
(iqve 438).
me-XVIII-e s-Si es kuTxe
ekonomiurad saqarTvelosTan
yofila dakavSirebuli: marils, cxvris tyavs, svias da
sxva saxmars, rac-ki TavianT
civs qveyanaSi ver Soulobdnen,
Ture qarTliTagan da raWiTa-
los mTavroba am kuTxes saqarTvelosTvis friad mniSvnelovan karad sTvlida da amis gamo mas fxizel darajad edga,
sagangebod ardonis gasavalTan
zRudec-ki aago, rom Tu saWiro iqmneboda mtris Semosvlis
mxriv am saxifaTo gzis karis
daxSva advilad SesZleboda. am
kuTxis bunebriv agebulebasa
da Tvisebas Tu davakvirdebiT,
cxadi iqmneba, rom igi saqarTvelosTan ufro mravalricxovan gzebiT, sxvadasxva mxriT
TerTmeti gardmosavliT, rogorc dasavleT, ise aRmosavleT saqarTvelosTan aris SedarebiT mWidrod dakavSirebuli. CrdiloeTTan-ki mas mxolod erTi gasavali aerTebs.
yvela am mosazrebis gamo ufro
bunebrivia da xelsayreli, rom
winandeli mdgomareoba kvlav
aRdgenil iqmnas: ruseTis mTavrobis Secdoma Seswordes da
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gansazRvra, vin risTvis Camodis —
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merab janiaSvilma.
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ganapiroba, eqspertis mosazrebiT,
ekonomikis winsvlaSi wvlilis Setana, cxadia, turizmsac SeuZlia,
magram es saqarTveloSi mosaxleobaze ar aisaxeba. “CvenTan ase xdeba:
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ara. samwuxarod, mdidar da Rarib
fenebs Soris gansxvaveba ufro da
ufro TvalSisacemi xdeba. mosaxleobis garkveuli nawilis Semosavali izrdeba, umetesisa ki mcirdeba. es ki Zalian cudi tendenciaa”,
— dasZina merab janiaSvilma.
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_ Sekedlebuli var ojaxs
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_ samwuxarod, Cvens Soris
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is gavige, rom ojaxi, romelsac
Sekedlebuli xarT, ar aris axlobeli ojaxi. ver gavige, daxmarebas visgan TxoulobT, Semkedlebeli ojaxisgan Tu saxelmwifosagan.
Tu daxmarebas saxelmwifosgan TxoulobT mZime avadmyofis
movlis motiviT, damaimedebels
verafers mogaxsenebT, radgan es
gaxlavT wminda samoqalaqo kerZo urTierToba.
Tu daxmarebas Semkedlebeli
ojaxisgan iTxovT, es damokidebulia imaze, ra saxis garigeba
Sedga Tqvens Soris dasawyisSi.
* * *
_ axlobels vasesxe 5000
aSS dolari, romelic ar damibruna. miTxres, rom xandazmulobis vada gasulia. arsebobs Tu
ra kanonieri gza am Tanxis dabrunebis?
_ Tu Tanxis gasesxebidan gasulia 3 weli, Tqven sasamarTloSi sarCelis Setanis gziT
mas ver daabrunebT.
magram arsebobs erTi gza:
Tu Tqveni axlobeli valis
arsebobas aRiarebs werilobiT,
amgvari aRiareba axali valdebulebis warmoSobis safuZvelia
da xandazmulobis vadis dineba
daiwyeba Tavidan axali moTxovnis warmoSobis dRidan.
* * *
_ var mopasuxis meuRle.
msurs visargeblo Cvenebis micemaze uaris Tqmis uflebiT, magram advokatma ganmimarta, rom
valdebuli var, mivce Cveneba,
radgan saqme exeba garigebis dadasturebas, ra drosac me viyavi mowme. ramdenad sworia advokatis ganmarteba?
_ advokatma samarTlebrivad
swori konsultacia gagiwiaT.
dagikonkretebT:
samoqalaqo saproceso kodeqsis 142-e muxlis I nawilis
`a~ q-punqtis mixedviT, mxareTa
meuRleebs ufleba aqvT ar miscen Cveneba.
amave kodeqsis 143-e muxlis
`a~ q-punqtis mixedviT, Cvenebis
* * *
_ sasamarTloSi samoqalaqo
saqmeze davayene Suamdgomloba
Cemi mezoblis mowmed dakiTxvis
Sesaxeb, magram Semdeg, garkveuli mosazrebiT, uari vTqvi mis
dakiTxvaze. mopasuxem moiTxova,
miuxedavad Cemi uarisa, dakiTxuliyo mowme. sasamarTlom mowme
dakiTxa. ramdenad sworia sasamarTlos qmedeba?
_ sasamarTlos moqmedeba kanonieria.
dagikonkretebT:
mxares SeuZlia, uari Tqvas im
mowmis dakiTxvaze, romlis gamoZaxebasa da dakiTxvaze TviTon
iSuamdgomla sasamarTlos winaSe.
meore mxares SeuZlia, iSuamdgomlos sasamarTlos winaSe, rom gamocxadebuli mowme daikiTxos,
xolo Tu dakiTxva dawyebulia,
gagrZeldes. aseT SemTxvevaSi
mowme, samoqalaqo saproceso kodeqsis 151-e muxlis Sesabamisad,
unda daikiTxos.
* * *
_ Cemma biZam sami wlis win
maCuqa nakveTi, romelsac vuvlidi da momyavda mosavali. biZaCemma erTi Tvis win nakveTis dabruneba momTxova. rogor moviqce?
_ Tu biZaTqvenis mier nakveTis Cuqeba moxda kanonieri formiT, nakveTs biZaTqveni ver daibrunebs.
kanonier formaSi igulisxmeba Semdegi: nakveTis (uZravi qonebis) Cuqebis xelSekruleba
aucileblad unda damowmebuliyo sanotaro wesiT da Semdeg
unda momxdariyo am qonebis
Tqvens saxelze registracia sajaro reestrSi.
Tu ar aris daculi Tqvens
mier uZravi nivTis (nakveTis)
gasxvisebis wesi, biZaTqveni nakveTs daibrunebs.
* * *
_ SemiZlia Tu ara gavasaCivro samoqalaqo saqmeze sasamarTlo sxdomis oqmi?
_ sxdomis oqmze xelmoweridan, samoqalaqo saproceso kodeqsis 291-e muxlis mixedviT, 3
dRis vadaSi mxareebsa da maT
warmomadgenlebs SeuZliaT, waradginon TavianTi SeniSvnebi oqmTan dakavSirebiT, miuTiTon mis
usworobasa da usrulobaze. SeniSvnebi unda daerTos saqmes.
SeniSvnebs saqmis ganmxilveli
mosamarTle (sasamarTlo) ganixilavs maTi Setanidan 5 dRis
vadaSi da gamoaqvs ganCineba SeniSvnebis Sesaxeb.
dagikonkretebT: es ar gaxlavT sxdomis oqmze saCivris
Setana, es gaxlavT SeniSvnebis
wardgena oqmTan dakavSirebiT.
_ samoqalaqo samarTlis saqmeebze:
procesis xarjebs Seadgens
sasamarTlo xarjebi da sasamarTlos gareSe xarjebi.
sasamarTlo xarjebs Seadgens saxelmwifo baJi da saqmis
ganxilvasTan
dakavSirebuli
xarjebi. saqmis ganxilvasTan dakavSirebuli xarjebis gaangariSebis wesi da maTi odenoba ganisazRvreba saqarTvelos prezidentis brZanebulebiT.
sasamarTlos gareSe xarjebs
warmoadgens advokatisaTvis gaweuli xarjebi, dakarguli (ganacduri) xelfasi, mtkicebulebaTa uzrunvelsayofad gaweuli
xarjebi, agreTve, mxareTa sxva
aucilebeli xarjebi.
sisxlis samarTlis saqmeebze:
saproceso xarjebia:
a) braldebulis advokatis
momsaxurebis xarji;
b) eqspertis gamocxadebis da
misi saqmianobis anazRaurebis
xarji;
g) Tarjimnis gamocxadebis
da misi saqmianobis anazRaurebis
xarji;
d) mowmis gamocxadebis xarji;
e) nivTieri mtkicebulebis
Senaxvisa da gadagzavnis xarji;
v) braldebulis an misi advokatis SuamdgomlobiT saxelmwifo biujetis saxsrebiT sagamoZiebo moqmedebis Catarebis
xarji;
z) dacvis mxarisaTvis braldebis mxaris mier gadacemuli
informaciis aslis gadaRebis
xarji;
T) nafic msajulTa gamocxdebisa da sasamarTlo ganxilvaSi monawileobis xarji;
i) mtkicebulebaTa mopovebis
xarji.
* * *
_ 20 welia, rac Cems meuRlesTan registrirebul qorwinebaSi vimyofebi. SemiZlia Tu ara
axla gavaformo masTan saqorwino kontraqti?
_ samoqalaqo kanonmdebloba
zustad ar gansazRvravs im moments,
roca meuRleebs SeeZlebaT erTmaneTTan xelSekrulebis dadeba.
samoqalaqo kanonmdeblobiT,
saqorwino xelSekruleba SeiZleba daidos rogorc qorwinebis
registraciamde, ise misi registraciis Semdeg, nebismier dros.
aRniSnulidan gamomdinare,
Tqven da Tqvens meuRles Tqveni
qonebrivi uflebebi SegiZliaT
daareguliroT saqorwino xelSekrulebiT SeuRlebidan (registrirebuli qorwinebidan) 20
wlis Semdegac.
* * *
_ sad unda SevitanoT gancxadeba moqalaqis SezRudul
qmedunarianad da qmeduunarod
aRiarebis Sesaxeb?
_ TqvenTvis saintereso sakiTxs aregulirebs samoqalaqo
saproceso kodeqsis 322-327-e
323-e muxlebi. saqme im moqalaqis
SezRudul qmedunarianad aRiarebis Sesaxeb, romelic eZaleba alkohols an narkotikul nivTierebebs, ris gamoc Tavis ojaxs mZime materialur mdgomareobaSi ayenebs, SeiZleba aRZran misi ojaxis
wevrebma an meurveobisa da mzrunvelobis organoebma.
saqme fsiqikuri aSlilobis
gamo moqalaqis qmeduunarod
aRiarebis Sesaxeb SeiZleba aRZran sasamarTloSi misi ojaxis
wevrebma, kanonierma warmomadgenelma, meurveobisa da mzrunvelobis organoebma, agreTve, fsiqiatriul-samkurnalo dawesebulebebma.
gancxadeba moqalaqis SezRudul qmedunarianad an qmeduunarod aRiarebis Sesaxeb Setanil
unda iqnas sasamarTloSi am moqalaqis sacxovrebeli adgilis
mixedviT, xolo Tu es piri moTavsebulia fsiqiatriul-samkurnalo dawesebulebaSi, maSin
samkurnalo dawesebulebis adgilmdebareobis mixedviT.
* * *
_ wavage sasamarTlo procesi samoqalaqo davis saqmeze. ra
vadaSi SemiZlia misi gasaCivreba
saapelacio sasamarTlSi?
_ gadawyvetilebis sarezolucio nawilSi aucileblad iqneba miTiTebuli gasaCivrebis vada da wesi.
mainc gangimartavT, rom saapelacio saCivris Setanis vada
samoqalaqo davis saqmeebze Seadgens 14 dRes. es vada aiTvleba
vi sanqciebi SeiZleba ganxorcieldes Cems mimarT?
_ Tqven acxadebT, rom xarT
rogorc mosarCelis, ise mopasuxis axlo naTesavi, magram ar
akonkretebT, konkretulad ra
naTesauri kavSiria Tqvens Soris.
samoqalaqo saproceso kanonmdeblobiT, axlo naTesavad iTvlebian: Svilebi, SviliSvilebi,
Zmebi, debi, mSoblebi, mSvileblebi, Svilobilebi, mzrunvelebi, meurveeebi, bebiebi da papebi.
Tu Tqven aq CamoTvlilTagan
romelimes ganekuTvnebiT, samoqalaqo saproceso kodeqsis 14-e
muxli ganiWebT Cvenebis micemaze
uaris Tqmis uflebas.
Tu Tqven aq CamoTvlilTagan
arcerTs ar ganekuTvnebiT, maSin
valdebuli xarT gamoucxaddeT
sasamarTloSi da misceT swori
Cveneba. sasamarTloSi arasapatio
mizeziT gamocxadeblobis SemTxvevaSi dajarimdebiT 50 lariT.
sasamarTlom SeiZleba daadginos
mowmis iZulebiT moyvana.
Cvenebis micemaze uaris Tqmisa da ganzrax araswori Cvenebis
micemisaTvis mowmes SeiZleba daekisros sisxlis samarTlis pasuxismgebloba.
* * *
_ sasamarTloSi uari vTqvi
sarCelze. sasamarTlom saxelmwifo baJis odenoba gaanaxevra,
magram ar gamaTavisufla mTlianad misi gadaxdisagan. ramdenad
kanonieria sasamarTlos moqmedeba?
_ rogorc Cans, Tqven sarCelze uari TqviT sasamarTlos
mTavar sxdomaze. amitom mosamarTlem, samoqalaqo saproceso
kodeqsis 49-e muxlis I nawilis
Sesabamisad, gaginaxevraT saxelmwifo baJis odenoba.
rac Seexeba saxelmwifo baJis gadaxdisagan mTlianad gaTavisuflebas, es moxdeboda, Tu
Tqven sarCelze uars ityodiT
sasamarTlos mTavar sxdomamde.
(49-e muxlis II nawili).
aqedan daskvna: Tu Tqven sarCelze uari TqviT sasamarTlos
mTavar sxdomaze, mosamarTlis
gadawyvetileba kanonieria.
* * *
_ sasamarTlom samoqalaqo
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* * *
_ dabarebuli var mowmed sasamarTloSi samoqalaqo davis
saqmeze. Cems Cvenebas aqvs arsebiTi mniSvneloba, magram var rogorc mosarCelis, ise mopasuxis
axlobeli naTesavi, ris gamoc
meqmneba uxerxuli momentebi.
amitom ar minda sasamarTloSi
Cvenebis micema. ra samarTlebri-
pertis daskvna. ramdenad kanonieria es?
_ kanoni ar avaldebulebs
sasamarTlos eqspertis daskvnis
gaziarebas, magram sasamaTlos
uari daskvnis miRebaze dasabuTebuli unda iqnas saqmeze gamotanil gadawyvetilebaSi an ganCinebaSi.
Tu Tqvens konkretul saqmeze mosamarTlem eqspertis daskvnis miRebaze uari daasabuTa Sesabamis gadawyvetilebaSi, maSin
misi qmedeba kanonieria.
CMYK
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saintereso ambebi
gamogonebani, romlebmac
samyaro Secvala
dana
igi adamianis yvelaze uZvelesi xelsawyoa. mas sxvadasxvanairad amzadebdnen. rkina
mxolod Cvens welTaRricxvamde 2500 wels gamoCnda.
kovzi
sainteresoa, rogor miirTmevdnen wvnians, sanam kovzi ar
iyo gamogonebuli? magram, aRsaniSnavia, rom kovzic iseTive
`Zvelia~, rogorc dana. pirveli
kovzebi xisgan mzaddeboda, niJarebisgan an kaklis da Txilis naWuWebisgan, romlebic maSin ufro didi zomis iyo. sxvaTa Soris,
kaklis da Txilis naWuWebi iyo
pirveli TefSebic.
lamazad moxatul kovzebs
iyenebdnen Zveli berZnebi, romaelebi da egviptelebi, magram kovzs grZeli saxeluri mxolod
me-18 saukuneSi gauCnda.
aqve vTqvaT ramdenime sityva Cangalze, Tavidan igi sasoflo-sameurneo iaraRi iyo. Wamis dros Cangali Cvens welTaRricxvamde X saukuneSi gamoiyenes. igi sauzmis aucilebel atributad dasavleT evropaSi 1400-iani wlebidan iqca.
qvabi
igi saocari aRmoCena iyo Cveni gamoqvabulisdroindeli winaprisTvis. mas qvisgan, Tavis qalebisagan, xisgan amzadebdnen.
pirveli qvabebi da jamebi 1500 wlis winaT gaCnda. rkinis qvabebi ki 4,5000 saukunis win.
qvasanayi
am `duets~ Zveli romaelebi kargad icnobdnen. Zveli actekebi mas molkaietes uwodebdnen. masac iseve amzadebdnen, rogorc kovzebs da Canglebs _ xisgan, qvisgan da mere rkinisganac. qvasanayis adrindeli variantebi indoeTSi da aziaSia aRmoCenili. evropaSi mas, ZiriTadad, farmacevtebi iyenebdnen
mcenareebis Zirebisa da Teslis dasamuSaveblad da wamlis dasamzadeblad. dRes ki arc erTi WkuaTmyofeli italieli ar daamzadebs pestos souss qvasanayis gareSe.
wvensawuri
Rvino rom gavakeToT, vaSlis Zmari an zeiTunis zeTi,
saWiroa Zalian kargad davamuSavoT da davWylitoT es produqtebi. Tavdapirvelad xilis wvenis misaRebad did vedroSi Cayril xils Tavze qvebs
awyobdnen. aseTi saxiT wuravdnen xils jer kdev III-IV saukuneebSi Cvens welTaRricxvamde. Semdeg gamoigones specialuri aparati, romelic xeliT
unda gemuSavebina, rom xils wveni maqsimalurad gamoswurvoda.
axla ukve gamogonebulia wvensawuri, romelic yovelgvari
Zalisxmevis daxmarebiT adens wvens xils. aRsaniSnavia, rom am
manqanis muSaoba Zvel principzea dayrdnobili.
Cxirebi suSisTvis
Cxirebi, romlebsac dRes
suSi-barebSi iyeneben, jer kidev 3-4 000 wlis winaT CineTSi
gamoigones. CineTSi mas kuaizebs eZaxian, rac TargmanSi
`swrafs, Cqars, mosaxerxebels~ niSnavs. legendis mixedviT, igi iuim gamoigona, Cinelebis zRaprulma winaparma,
romelsac
umtkivneulod
surda jamidan cxeli xorci
amoeRo.
Cxirebs CineTsa da iaponiaSi xisgan, rkinisgan, spilos
Zvlisgan da am bolo xanebSi
plastmasisganac amzadeben.
amboben, rom CineTis saimperatoro karze saWmelSi Sxamis
gasauvnebelyofad vercxlis Cxirebsac debdnen. Tuki saWmelSi
Sxami iyo, vercxlis Cxirebi Savdeboda Turme.
sakvebis konservireba
1795 wls napoleonma konkursi gamoacxada, vinc brZolis
velze meomrebs Senaxuli sakvebiT gamokvebavs, davajildove-
bo. 14 wlis Semdeg Sef-mzareuli da konditeri nikolas aperti
jildos pirveli mflobeli gaxda. man gamoigona produqtebis
Senaxvis da sterilizebis meTodi. kidev 9 wlis Semdeg 1818
wels inglisSi pirvelad gamoCnda Tunuqissaxuraviani qila,
magram misi gaxsna mxolod CaquCiT iyo SesaZlebeli.
40 wlis Semdeg am aRmoCenidan gamomgonebelma, konektikutelma ezra barnerma Tunuqissaxuraviani qilebis gasaxsneli
xelsawyo gamoigona.
distilacia
wyals Tu didxans aduRebT, distilirebul wyals miiRebT.
amis Sesaxeb daaxloebiT 2000 wlis winaT pirvelebma berZnebma
Seityves. arabebma X saukuneSi gamoiyenes sunamoebis dasamzadeblad. magram ra moxdeba Rvinos rom gavukeToT distilacia?
albaT, patara wveulebas miviRebT. magram es xumrobiT. unda iTqvas, rom XIII saukuneSi fizikosma da alqimikosma valensielma arno de vilenevelma am kuTxiT safuZvliani kvleva Caatara. mas ekuTvnis msoflioSi pirveli recepti tkbili SuSxuna
Rvinis dasamzadeblad. amis Semdeg gaCnda brendebi da viskebi.
restorani
pirveli restornebi IX Tu
XI saukuneebSi gaCndnen Cvens
welTaRricxvamde CineTSi da
islamur qveynebSi. restorant
franguli sityvaa da karg ganwyobilebas niSnavs. pirveli
restorani 1782 wels safrangeTSi Seiqmna antuan beri ieris
mier. Semdeg man gaxsna taverna
`londre~, sadac rac unda gasakviri iyos, klientebs mimarTmevdnen imas, risi dagemovnebac
moundebodaT.
sacobi
pirveli sacobi muxis xisgan
daamzades da igi farTod gavrcelda portugaliaSi. es qveyana dRes msoflioSi yvelaze
met sacobs amzadebs. sacobi
pirvelad 1700 wels gamoiyenes
Rvinis boTlebis saxuravad.
dRes sacobma ramdenadme daTmo poziciebi. mis nacvlad
aluminis saxuravebs iyeneben.
Tumca is masala, riTac sacobebi mzaddeboda, dRes fexsacmelebis waroebaSi farTod gamoiyeneba.
saxexi
kalis saxexi pirvelad yvelis gasaxexad gamoiyenes. misi gamomgonebeli fransua buieria, romelic XVI-is 40-ian wlebSi
safrangeTSi cxovrobda.
gazqura
sacxobi uZvelesi gamogoneba, magram yvelaze pirveli gazqura moravielma qimikosma zakauza uinclerma gamoigona 1802
wels. 1834 wls ki britanelma gamomgonebelma jeims Sarpma pirveli gazis gamaTmoblebi daamontaJa.
pasterizacia
meTodi mavne baqteriebis gasauvnebelyofad gamoigones.
igi pirvelad iaponiaSi da CineTSi gavrcelda. pasterizaciis
meTodi frangma qimikosma lui pasterma gamoigona. Tavis kolegasTan fiziolog klod bernardTan erTad. am meTods Rvinis
da ludis xarisxis gasaumjobeseblad iyeneben.
macivari
ramdenime saukunis win
adamianebma ar icodnen garkveuli drois ganmavlobaSi
rogor SeenaxaT produqtebi.
pirveli macivari germanelma inJinerma karl fon
lindem gamoigona 1877 wels
da daapatenta. 1920 wels ki
200 macivris pirveli modeli
daamzades.
astrologiuri
prognozi
verZi _ mTeli Tqveni Zalisxmeva materialisturi
problemebis mosagvareblad
iqneba mimarTuli. Tavi SeikaveT
valis aRebisgan.
kuro _ SeecdebiT, aqtiurad CaerToT rogorc saojaxo, ise samsaxurebriv
saqmeSi. Tu konkretul mizans daisaxavT, ar gagiWirdebaT saarsebo
saSualebis povna.
tyupebi _ drois am monakveTSi sarfianad warimarTeba Tqveni urTierTobebi
partniorebTan.
kirCxibi _ mogematebaT
sasicocxlo energia, gamomJRavndeba Tqveni SemoqmedebiTi potenciali. nu moaxdenT
viTarebis dramatizebas, umjobesia
gaerToT.
lomi _ Tqveni enTuziazmi da SemarTeba sagrZnoblad Semcirdeba. axali megobrebi xels Seuwyoben Tqvens
inteleqtualur ganviTarebas.
qalwuli _ Tamamad SegiZliaT daniSnoT saqmiani
Sexvedrebi da dadoT xelSekrulebebi. sulier simSvides
bunebis wiaRSi gaseirneba dagibrunebT.
saswori _ saqmeebs moxerxebulad da windaxedulad waruZRvebiT. warmatebebs iolad miaRwevT savaWro biznessa da kulturul RonisZiebebSi.
morieli _ ekonomikuri
TvalsazrisiT, es kvira
stabiluri iqneba. am dReebSi dadebuli xelSekrulebebi
stabiluri da momgebiani gamodgeba.
mSvildosani _ es periodi xelsayreli iqneba
saxlis keTilmowyobisTvis, miT ufro rom swored Tqvens
saxlSi SeiZleba Sedges araerTi
saintereso Sexvedra.
Txis rqa _ mogecemaT
Sansi, ganaxorcieloT Tqveni Zveli ocneba. SesaZloa, samsaxuric SemogTavazon.
Tamamad SegiZliaT, mniSvnelovani
gadawyvetilebis miReba sasiyvarulo urTierTobebSi.
merwyuli _ Tqveni warmateba damokidebuli iqneba imaze, ramdenad sarfianad dadebiT xelSekrulebas.
Tevzebi _ dabrkolebebi
geliT profesiul saqmianobaSi, garSemo myofebic
mtrulad iqnebian Tqven mimarT ganwyobili. maRalia gaugebrobis
albaToba, ris gamoc sasurvelia,
samomavlod gadadoT finansuri
operaciebi da mniSvnelovani saqmeebi.
receptebi
pirveli wamlis abebi 1600
wels Seiqmna Cvens welTaRricxvamde babilonSi. pirveli receptebis wigni ki XIV saukuneSi inglisSi gaCnda. igi
popularuli gaxda pirveli
gamocemis Semdegve. 1896
wels gamovida wigni `kulinariis sixaruli~. sadac sakvebis damzadebis uklebliv yvela recepti iyo Tavmoyrili.
moamzada ana vadaWkoriam
amave nomris
krosvordebis pasuxebi:
skanvordi
1.kaunasi. 2. zastava. 3. zeniti. 4. seleqcioneri. 5. tito. 6. vaikiki. 7. Skiperi.
8. teqsti. 9. koncxi. 10. turfa. 11. tiatia.
12. kontinenti. 13. xokera. 14. nobeli. 15.
muri. 16. kokobi. 17. penelopa. 18. mamba. 19.
baleroni. 20. ialbuzi. 21. piri. 22. Sevro.
23. ladogi. 24. trusi. 25. polo. 26. veSa pi. 27. devi. 28. pediatria. 29. puioli. 30.
cigurebi. 31. dalasi. 32. hiti. 33. badminto ni. 34. urdu. 35. kandelabri. 36. hingisi. 37.
frici. 38. xmiadi. 39. gabelia. 40. blez. 41.
limpopo. 42. luka. 43. faqsi. 44. ramaiana.
45. madli. 46. skoulzi. 47. marika. 48. mo nako. 49. bodva. 50. uefa. 51. pakmaia. 52. ka pua. 52. nikapi. 54. Siraqi. 55. pravda. 56.
briuseli. 57. sekansi. 58. disertanti. 59.
giboni. 60. frau. 61. kardifi. 62. uil. 63.
kaligula. 64. sipi. 65. kifi. 66. kebi. 67.
kodri. 68. jipiesi. 69. kiara. 70. nifnifi.
71. igrika.